If everyone played chess would there be less gun violence?

Sort:
Avatar of Maradonna
MyCowsCanFly wrote:

Besides, guns don't kill people....REALLY FAST bullets do.


Guns don't kill people, rappers do.

I'm a rapper and I might kill you.

Sound of the police - woo - woo - woo.

Avatar of trysts
electricpawn wrote:

Not at all. If there are no predators to keep a population down, then hunters can serve that function. Its neither Christians nor the National Geographic that monitor these populations, its the DNR. Its more humane than allowing mass starvations.

As far as your "shepheards of the flock" comment, consider the Native Americans. The Sioux had short bows with limited range, but they were great hunters because they were great trackers. They acclamated themselves with wildlife and killed only what they needed to survive. Hunting isn't senseless killing.   


Maybe the "mass starvation" in Darfur can be remedied by benevolent hunters?  Wouldn't that be "humane"?

Today, in America, hunting is pointless, immoral, and criminal, from factory slaughtering of animals to idiotic game hunting. The advances in technology can create nutritious, delicious food without murdering animals any longer. Yet they don't, and their justifications are absurd. Just because the state of things is absurd, I'm not going to argue that it is in the least bit reasonable.

Avatar of electricpawn
trysts wrote:
EnterTheDragon wrote:
trysts wrote:
electricpawn wrote:

I grew up in an area of the country where hunting was not only tolerated, it was encouraged. Most of the hunters I know are very responsible and good stewards of the environment. They want to preserve nature becaue they enjoy it.

Consider a species like deer that no longer has natural predators. When populations get too large for a given area, many will starve in the winter due to over competition for limited resources. If hunters reduce the population, the heard is healthier.


This is just awful reasoning. It's like a cross between National Geographic and Christianity. 'Murdering other beings helps, is enjoyable, and we, the shepherds of this flock know what's right!'

Horrible...


 Why not write to Faculty of Foresty and Environmental Management at any given University and explain to them how awful that reasoning is.  You could make an fool of yourself with them too.


Murdering animals to keep the population down doesn't make sense. What is not said is the population is resticted to a small area of control. This is not "natural", this is forced on the population, genius. Oh and don't forget to shove it


Large areas are dedicated to agriculture which provides food for the animals in the spring and summer but none after the harvest and after vegetation dies. At times, there's no place for them to go. 

Avatar of electricpawn
trysts wrote:
electricpawn wrote:

Not at all. If there are no predators to keep a population down, then hunters can serve that function. Its neither Christians nor the National Geographic that monitor these populations, its the DNR. Its more humane than allowing mass starvations.

As far as your "shepheards of the flock" comment, consider the Native Americans. The Sioux had short bows with limited range, but they were great hunters because they were great trackers. They acclamated themselves with wildlife and killed only what they needed to survive. Hunting isn't senseless killing.   


Maybe the "mass starvation" in Darfur can be remedied by benevolent hunters?  Wouldn't that be "humane"?

Today, in America, hunting is pointless, immoral, and criminal, from factory slaughtering of animals to idiotic game hunting. The advances in technology can create nutritious, delicious food without murdering animals any longer. Yet they don't, and their justifications are absurd. Just because the state of things is absurd, I'm not going to argue that it is in the least bit reasonable.


Reductio ad absurdum. No one's talking about killing people. Darfur would have been a better destination for our troops than Iran, but if they had gone there I'm pretty sure it would have involved some killing. If you object to killing animals because your a vegetarian, just say so. You don't have to resort to name calling, although I'm sure you know plenty.

Avatar of trysts
electricpawn wrote:


Large areas are dedicated to agriculture which provides food for the animals in the spring and summer but none after the harvest and after vegetation dies. At times, there's no place for them to go. 


This is the "National Geographic" part. People rarely do animals any favors, and arguing for the benelovent nature-loving hunter as some moral hero is laughably tragic. Animals have been pushed into corners for no other reason than the over-population of people(you'd almost have to go to insects to find animals with larger numbers than the close to 7 billion people on this planet), the exploitation and destruction of the environment by people, and the relentless slaughter by people. Animals worrying about where their next meal is coming from is the only affinity they have with people, as deer usually don't go around mercy-killing for fun.

Avatar of trysts
electricpawn wrote:


Reductio ad absurdum. No one's talking about killing people. Darfur would have been a better destination for our troops than Iran, but if they had gone there I'm pretty sure it would have involved some killing. If you object to killing animals because your a vegetarian, just say so. You don't have to resort to name calling, although I'm sure you know plenty.


I have no idea what you're talking about with this comment. None of it makes sense.

Avatar of MyCowsCanFly

Reminds me of Jimbo Kern on South Park....it's coming right for us! Here's a clip.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/149674

"Jimbo and Ned prefer to use military-grade weapons. In order to bypass certain hunting regulations, the two yell "It's coming right for us!" right before shooting an animal, whether or not their intended kill is actually doing so. Figuring to shoot at whatever species they please by exploiting a loophole, the two shout the phrase so as to make it appear that they are acting in self-defense. When tougher laws made it more difficult to do this, Jimbo and Ned continued their extensive hunting under the pretense of controlling animal overpopulation, even if the animals in question are endangered species."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_Park_families#Jimbo_Kern

Avatar of trysts
MyCowsCanFly wrote:

Reminds me of Jimbo Kern on South Park....it's coming right for us!

"Jimbo and Ned prefer to use military-grade weapons. In order to bypass certain hunting regulations, the two yell "It's coming right for us!" right before shooting an animal, whether or not their intended kill is actually doing so. Figuring to shoot at whatever species they please by exploiting a loophole, the two shout the phrase so as to make it appear that they are acting in self-defense. When tougher laws made it more difficult to do this, Jimbo and Ned continued their extensive hunting under the pretense of controlling animal overpopulation, even if the animals in question are endangered species."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_Park_families#Jimbo_Kern


There are at least 50 or 60 episodes of South Park that are genius. Laughing

Avatar of theoreticalboy

Take the zeroes off and you're on to something.

Avatar of trysts
theoreticalboy wrote:

Take the zeroes off and you're on to something.


Qualification for TB: "Genius" for a comedy on television.

Avatar of polydiatonic

Cool, I went to work after posting this and come back to a vibrant thread..

Anyway, The point somebody made about basically how the herds need to be "thinned" because of the lack of natural predators is very shallow.  It's a strawman argument being made ignoring the fact that what should happen is that the natural predators (wolves and mountain lions) should be reintroduced and allowed to bring the ecosystem back into some semblence of natural balence.  

Then the sport hunters could continue their "hunting" but not kill but instead snap photos of the amazingly beautiful wildlife.   If people want to hunt and then use the kill for food I've got no particular problem with that.  Somebody somewhere is killing the meat most of us eating and people gotta eat, but this idea that there is great sport in shooting a projectile moving 1500ft/second at a harmless animal is just fked up in my view.   When the animals can shoot back then you've got a sport.

Avatar of brianb42

Quoting Tom Cruise in Collateral: "I didn't kill him. The bullets and the fall killed him." In other words, you can rationalize any argument to sound reasonable. As I understand it the US second amendment was written to provide citizens the means to rebel against an unjust government should the need arise again. Back in the day muskets were state of the art. Today that purpose is made obsolete by the military having weapons that far exceed any weapon an ordinary citizen can legally possess. Also, even hunters that eat what they kill are only supplementing their food supply. They are not relying on hunting for survival for the most part. Yet, I do find paper and clay target shooting a fun sport.

Avatar of polydiatonic

I like to shoot too.  I just don't like to kill things, particularly mammals.  But that's just me.

Avatar of Gomer_Pyle
TheGrobe wrote:

I have to concur -- some of the most ardent proponents of sustainability and environmental responsibility that I know are hunters.

There seems to be something about being in such close and continual contact with the natural world that seems to invoke a deep respect and sense of social responsibility regarding it.


QFT

(Quoted For Truth)

Tryst, try keep an open mind about what electricpawn is saying. He appears to have a much better grasp of the facts than you.

Avatar of bugoobiga
erikido23 wrote:

no. End of discussion


and now...back to Judge Erikido23.

Avatar of electricpawn
polydiatonic wrote:

Cool, I went to work after posting this and come back to a vibrant thread..

Anyway, The point somebody made about basically how the herds need to be "thinned" because of the lack of natural predators is very shallow.  It's a strawman argument being made ignoring the fact that what should happen is that the natural predators (wolves and mountain lions) should be reintroduced and allowed to bring the ecosystem back into some semblence of natural balence.  

Then the sport hunters could continue their "hunting" but not kill but instead snap photos of the amazingly beautiful wildlife.   If people want to hunt and then use the kill for food I've got no particular problem with that.  Somebody somewhere is killing the meat most of us eating and people gotta eat, but this idea that there is great sport in shooting a projectile moving 1500ft/second at a harmless animal is just fked up in my view.   When the animals can shoot back then you've got a sport.


 Good luck reintroducing wolves and lynxes in agricultural areas.

Avatar of theoreticalboy
trysts wrote:
theoreticalboy wrote:

Take the zeroes off and you're on to something.


Qualification for TB: "Genius" for a comedy on television.


You shouldn't judge TV by its modern incarnation!  Original comment still stands.

Avatar of kisame7

Theoretically and logically no, chess can not solve violence or get rid of it all together. the main issue is that poeple are corrupt and only want what they want and by any means neccesary they'll get it. But chess can channel some violence but not all of it into somthing positive. For instance if we invited a certain person that is the leader of alqueda to play chess over a war going on would be pointless. even if the U.S. won the match nothing would be stopping him to kill more poeple. so in short chess can channel some violence, not all.

Avatar of Marcelo77

There are chess boards in the jails and prisoners do play. Does chess rehabilitate them? perhaps some learn how to better calculate their future crimes!  :o

Avatar of polydiatonic
electricpawn wrote:
polydiatonic wrote:

Cool, I went to work after posting this and come back to a vibrant thread..

Anyway, The point somebody made about basically how the herds need to be "thinned" because of the lack of natural predators is very shallow.  It's a strawman argument being made ignoring the fact that what should happen is that the natural predators (wolves and mountain lions) should be reintroduced and allowed to bring the ecosystem back into some semblence of natural balence.  

Then the sport hunters could continue their "hunting" but not kill but instead snap photos of the amazingly beautiful wildlife.   If people want to hunt and then use the kill for food I've got no particular problem with that.  Somebody somewhere is killing the meat most of us eating and people gotta eat, but this idea that there is great sport in shooting a projectile moving 1500ft/second at a harmless animal is just fked up in my view.   When the animals can shoot back then you've got a sport.


 Good luck reintroducing wolves and lynxes in agricultural areas.


Well at least you're not denying the basic premise that the one's ought to be hunting are not the bipeds with rifles.

This idea that hunting is somehow and "evolved" familial tradition is sort of ludicrous.  The fact is hunters justify their hunting in this way AND by claiming that they're doing the ecosystem a favor.  The bottem line is that the ecosystem only needs this "favor" because mankind has decimated the natural balence.   At least yo're not pretending that this is not the case and I give you credit for that.