If Fischer would played Karpov for the World Champion, who would win?

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DrunkenPawns

I think we all miss the point sometimes it's not who's the greatest chess player that never played the other player it's who's the greatest chess player thatthat played the competition of his time

 

DrunkenPawns

That is who's the greatest chess player that had the greatest competition of his time...... All right that's enough beers for me tonight but I think you get the point it's the competition it's the competition it's the competition

laurie66

Not the best, definetly not the nicest, but the most influential  player ever to grace a chess board..Ladies and gentleman  and the award goes to Robert Fischer.

The only reason people remember Spassky at all 

Ziryab

I think Karpov would have been favored very slightly, but it would have been a great match if the KGB could have kept their stinky hands off things. They spoiled the 1878 WCC, where Karpov should not have been favored.

SmyslovFan

The fact that Karpov had any realistic chance (perhaps 40%) in 1975 was too much for Fischer. By 1978, Karpov was even stronger, and probably would have defeated Fischer.

Karpov, Fischer, and Campomanes (the head of FIDE) met secretly in Japan to try to arrange a match in 1978, but it became immediately clear that Fischer wasn't even slightly interested in playing a match against Karpov under any conditions.

SmyslovFan
Ziryab wrote:

I think Karpov would have been favored very slightly, but it would have been a great match if the KGB could have kept their stinky hands off things. They spoiled the 1878 WCC, where Karpov should not have been favored.

Zukertort and Steinitz were both tools of the KGB. Whaddya expect?

BonTheCat
SmyslovFan wrote:

The fact that Karpov had any realistic chance (perhaps 40%) in 1975 was too much for Fischer. By 1978, Karpov was even stronger, and probably would have defeated Fischer.

Karpov, Fischer, and Campomanes (the head of FIDE) met secretly in Japan to try to arrange a match in 1978, but it became immediately clear that Fischer wasn't even slightly interested in playing a match against Karpov under any conditions.

Playingstrength-wise I disagree (if we allow ourselves to consider a Fischer who had continued to play throughout between '72 and '78). Be that as it may, it was obvious even before Karpov became the challenger that Fischer had no intention of playing again when he demanded draw odds as World Champion: unlimited number of games 10 up, match drawn at 9-9.

Ziryab
SmyslovFan wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

I think Karpov would have been favored very slightly, but it would have been a great match if the KGB could have kept their stinky hands off things. They spoiled the 1878 WCC, where Karpov should not have been favored.

Zukertort and Steinitz were both tools of the KGB. Whaddya expect?

 

Lol.

I meant 1978. Guess it's too late to fix the typo now. We'll just consider it revisionist history. 

Even worse than that was an encyclopedia article I wrote almost twenty years ago. I mentioned the Native American tribes of the northern Plains acquiring guns and horses in "the last quarter of the nineteenth century". I meant eighteenth, but the error slipped past my multiple proof-readings, the copy editor, the general editor, and who knows who else. I finally caught the error four years after it was published. If I had typed 1876, when I meant 1776, the error would be easier to comprehend.

Ziryab

I saw the badly photo-shopped photo.  As Fischer and Karpov are known to have never faced each other over the board under any circumstances, it is pretty easy to recognize the image as fake.

SmyslovFan

There are better Karpov-Fischer photoshopped images of them playing against each other floating around social media.

 

For those who don’t know, Fischer and Karpov never played a single game. Interestingly, Fischer did play unpublished games against Leko, Anand, and of course the Polgar sisters.

laurie66

Karpov? When I think of him Fischer comes to mind.Why that is I decided was because of my obsession with Fischer.

When Carlson plays I watch the game but my thoughts are with Fischer.He influenced me how I cant say because I dont know but I know he did in some way.Even now Fischer is like a lunatic in my head.

SmyslovFan

The Fischer and Castro photos are legit.

Samsterthehamster09i

It looks like 50/50 in that match, I read many times in books references as for Karpov's and Fisher's achievements against Spassky, but it's really impossible to say who would have won. In any case it's a pitty that the chess world was deprived of such an intriguing chess event - that match would have been extremely interesting. And it's still more pitty that Bobby is not with us now

DreamscapeHorizons

Even Karpov himself was of the opinion that Fischer was the better player then and likely would've won that match.

thebully99

Been looking at lichess engine analyses of the Karpov-Korchnoi matches lately. Was astonished at  how many winning positions Korchnoi had against Karpov in 78, but made too many mistakes (as did Karpov) when trying to convert. In particular, Korchnoi's endgame wasn't up to snuff. Hard to see how Fischer wouldn't have done better. In 74 it was the reverse - Karpov was unquestionably the superior player. But still? Counted 9 games where his position was losing at one point, and only ended up beating Korchnoi by 1-point. Fischer was far from perfect, but in his prime he made relatively fewer mistakes than Karpov & Korchnoi, and was more dominant than either during the 70s. Really skeptical as to how Fischer would lose to Karpov in 75. 

 

https://lichess.org/study/1LdNkuo4

https://lichess.org/study/P0yfxYbC

 

 

Donnsteinz

Fischer didn't show up for the wch not because he was scared of Karpov, as many people like to think, but because of his personal problems. Was he a schizo? Most definitely no, but he did have a lot too many glaring character failings which prevented him from reaching his full (inhuman, godlike) potential.

That made clear, I'm 99% sure that in a 1975 match Fischer would have ousted Karpov. He was just too strong at that point. Of course, the Soviet machine was in full effect, but we can say: "Psychology, age, preparation, the great USSR etc are all important considerations, but come on, Fischer is Fischer!"

A1Rajjpuut

 

IF bullfrogs had wings they'd seldom bump their butts  . . . If Fischer had 1/10 the character that he had chess skill;  He'd probably still be alive today and happy after perhaps 20 years as champion . . . but he didn't; and Karpov, for all his comparative chess weaknesses, HAD Character.  The match was never going to happen once Fischer guaranteed he'd be the "MOST ACTIVE CHAMPION in Chess History" . . . sadly,   perfectionism is almost always the enemy of the merely excellent . . .

brianchesscake
Eemil08 wrote:
DreamscapeHorizons kirjoitti:

Even Karpov himself was of the opinion that Fischer was the better player then and likely would've won that match.

I think that same. Fischer's playing style is just better.

Obviously Karpov had to say that - it's called being diplomatic. He has the luxury of saying this and looking like the morally superior individual because the match never happened.

Imagine if he said that he would definitely beat Fischer. Everyone would be calling Karpov a jerk!

Kaliman555

Fischer would've won without a doubt.

https://youtu.be/MPz5D5hA0Gc

TheMsquare

Karpov hands down.. 

Possibly even blindfolded!