If Fischer would played Karpov for the World Champion, who would win?

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stanhope13

Fischer was a enigma.

strngdrvnthng

Fischer shoulda, woulda, coulda...but didn't. : )

Jenium

Fischer would have beaten both, Karpov and Kasparov, in a blindfold simul. 

Watas_Capas

Fischer might just have to rise up from the dead to end this crap Undecided.

TheElementalMaster
MelvinDoucet wrote:

Kasparov, because he was world champion.

1. That is probably the worst arugement ever. FIscher and Karpov were, too. So were around 50 people.

2. We aren't even talking about Kasparov. Only Karpov And Fishcer.

rowsweep

fischer lived in a mansion after he was world champion?

then why did he go to the pasadena jail in the 1980s

Iluvsmetuna

maybe it wasnt his mansion ??

Iluvsmetuna

Carpov give fisha the hebe jebes ?? 

he was 5 -0 against Carsparov and coudnt give him the hebe jebes!!

toiyabe
Jenium wrote:

Fischer would have beaten both, Karpov and Kasparov, in a blindfold simul. 

Lmao

Curiouscat999

Also people seem to forget the "other" factors, there was a lot of infighting in the soviet camp. Bondrevski refused to be Spasskys trainer, without whom his opening strength failed. Ultimately he had to train with the old Averbakh. Well, I think Morphy's law was at work-If something is supposed to go wrong, it will do so in worst possible way at worst possible time. There were many other problems in the soviet camp. In 75, the Soviet camp united, just like it united later against Korchnoi, and that time Fischer refused to play. Those who doubt Karpovs chances in 75 should remember that there was a whole army of Soviet veterans like Geller,Suetin and Furman and many others to neutralise Fischers opening repertoire. Fischer knew about this, and still continued to behave whimsically, playing alone without a second. It was a CIA-KGB war more than Fischer Soviet war, and Fischer was informed about Karpovs seconds. And after all this if he refused, then I am sure everyone understands what it means.

The Fischer episode created a gap in Karpov's case. If the inevitable would have happened, Karpov would have risen much stronger against the Kasparov challenge as well. I still hold, Karpovs the best. Fischer was a loser, he fled.

DiogenesDue
Curiouscat999 wrote:

Also people seem to forget the "other" factors, there was a lot of infighting in the soviet camp. Bondrevski refused to be Spasskys trainer, without whom his opening strength failed. Ultimately he had to train with the old Averbakh. Well, I think Morphy's law was at work-If something is supposed to go wrong, it will do so in worst possible way at worst possible time. There were many other problems in the soviet camp. In 75, the Soviet camp united, just like it united later against Korchnoi, and that time Fischer refused to play. Those who doubt Karpovs chances in 75 should remember that there was a whole army of Soviet veterans like Geller,Suetin and Furman and many others to neutralise Fischers opening repertoire. Fischer knew about this, and still continued to behave whimsically, playing alone without a second. It was a CIA-KGB war more than Fischer Soviet war, and Fischer was informed about Karpovs seconds. And after all this if he refused, then I am sure everyone understands what it means.

The Fischer episode created a gap in Karpov's case. If the inevitable would have happened, Karpov would have risen much stronger against the Kasparov challenge as well. I still hold, Karpovs the best. Fischer was a loser, he fled.

So your premise is that Fischer was not superior to Karpov + an entire team of Russian GMs, and that after Fischer lost to said team that Kasparov would have done the same.  I don't see how this objectively makes Karpov the best ;)...it just means that Karpov had the best "human engine" at the time to refer to for opening prep and during adjournments. 

varelse1

People forget that Karpov had 160 tournament victories during his career. That is at least as impressive as Fischer's 19-game winning streak.

DiogenesDue
varelse1 wrote:

People forget that Karpov had 160 tournament victories during his career. That is at least as impressive as Fischer's 19-game winning streak.

See, that is a valid point for arguing Karpov's case.  Trying to say he and his team of cronies could/should/would have beaten Fischer and/or Kasparov in matches is not.

One of the things I admire about both Carlsen and Fischer is that they seem(ed) to have a dislike for the idea of having a team of seconds on hand...or at least not a team that actually tells them how to win their games, instead just being more of an information resource.

Iluvsmetuna

But how many matches did Fischer fail to win with a 5-0 lead ??

TheOldReb

There is a recording of Taimanov playing piano and Smyslov singing out there on the net somewhere ....

TheOldReb

I think Fischer winning 4 in a row against Petrosian is as amazing as his two  6-0 shut outs of Taimanov and Larsen ! 

Iluvsmetuna

Fischer was a one man slaughterhouse just like Rambo!

varelse1

Erik-the-Viking wrote:

But how many matches did Fischer fail to win with a 5-0 lead ??

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Okay. How many Championship Challengers did Karpov run away from?

Curiouscat999

That was all the point about, the opening revolution. Today they use computers to check their analysis, in that time if they used humans, what is wrong in that? Who stopped Fischer from doing it? And winning 160 tournaments in a career time is far more impressive than winning 19 games in a streak. Even Carlsen won 39 in a row before losing to Kramnik in the 40th!! And not using seconds is absolutely ridiculous idea, it is about producing best chess and ideas. It is war. Till now Fischer followed the same rules and all of a sudden when it was time for test, he started shouting for a change in them. And everyone knows, against Kasparov also, Karpov was leading 5-3 finally, finally, before what the position was everyone knows. Ultimately the cunning Campomanes stopped the tournament, otherwise I do believe the Kasparov verdict would also have come out. Karpov had pure bad luck all the time, honestly. Karpov came at a time when there was a serious deficiency of top class players on the Soviet side. He was the true champion who upheld the Soviet glory.

Iluvsmetuna

Karpov ran away from Kasparov in their first match, feigning innocence of course, and had the Soviet Union interfere with Korchnoi.

Hahaha!!