If you could change one rule of chess,what would it be? - Chess Forums - Page 6

kaptenk

Mar 6, 2015

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#101

GnrfFrtzl wrote:

kaptenk írta:

This is one that I have thought about with the purpose of eliminating whatever advantage white has of starting the game. All current rules apply up to the point where black is checkmated. Then black gets an extra move. If black then can checkmate white, it is a draw. White at the move wins, you say; I say draw:

Whatever advantage white has, it's definitely not worth an extra move.

That is a good point. If white mates, with the current rules white has made one move more than black.

GnrfFrtzl

Mar 6, 2015

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#102

kaptenk írta:

GnrfFrtzl wrote:

kaptenk írta:

This is one that I have thought about with the purpose of eliminating whatever advantage white has of starting the game. All current rules apply up to the point where black is checkmated. Then black gets an extra move. If black then can checkmate white, it is a draw. White at the move wins, you say; I say draw:

Whatever advantage white has, it's definitely not worth an extra move.

That is a good point. If white mates, with the current rules white has made one move more than black.

That is one point of view.
I don't agree with it. I don't think that white has an advantage.
White is the first to move, yes, but is forced to reveal his plan.
Black can answer adequately, and that is just as a good advantage as going first.
We still don't know what is the case, because chess is not yet (and probably won't be) solved by computers the same way as Tic Tac Toe or checkers, where they found that with perfect play the first player can force a win.
The stats that say that white wins about 2% more times than black is just simply coincidental.

millionairesdaughter

Mar 6, 2015

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#103

black is most often a noob unfortunately.

puttster

Mar 6, 2015

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#104

Black cannot copy white for more than three moves.

millionairesdaughter

Mar 6, 2015

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#105

that would be a worthwhile rule!

captnding123

Mar 6, 2015

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#106

If your opponent is taking to long, we can make his move for him!!

kaptenk

Mar 6, 2015

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#107

GnrfFrtzl wrote:

kaptenk írta:

GnrfFrtzl wrote:

kaptenk írta:

This is one that I have thought about with the purpose of eliminating whatever advantage white has of starting the game. All current rules apply up to the point where black is checkmated. Then black gets an extra move. If black then can checkmate white, it is a draw. White at the move wins, you say; I say draw:

Whatever advantage white has, it's definitely not worth an extra move.

That is a good point. If white mates, with the current rules white has made one move more than black.

That is one point of view.
I don't agree with it. I don't think that white has an advantage.
White is the first to move, yes, but is forced to reveal his plan.
Black can answer adequately, and that is just as a good advantage as going first.
We still don't know what is the case, because chess is not yet (and probably won't be) solved by computers the same way as Tic Tac Toe or checkers, where they found that with perfect play the first player can force a win.
The stats that say that white wins about 2% more times than black is just simply coincidental.

Funny, first you say that an extra move is a big advantage for black but when you realise that white is given one with the current rules, black can compensate for it.

I don't know where you got your statistics. Here are some that contradict yours: http://www.chessgames.com/chessstats.html

Even if you were right, 2% would be a lot if a big number of games were considered. Assuming that the real probability for white to win is 50%, then 5050 white wins of 10000 games (2% more than black wins) would happen with a probability of some 15%. It is a binomial distribution with the parameters 10000 and 0.5. If a million games were considered it would be less than one per thousand.

MuhammadAreez10

Mar 6, 2015

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#108

Self-taking can make a nice variant. I'll also consider playing team chess. Glad such threads help sometimes.

Pulpofeira

Mar 6, 2015

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#109

The variation Guraj and Owltuna mentioned was practiced by a group of GM's (Pia Cramling among them) in a huge simul they gave at once in Gibraltar a couple of years ago.

MuhammadAreez10

Mar 6, 2015

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#110

I'd try that in school. Although it is extremely difficult to find chessers there. Let alone good ones.

ciscodad

Mar 6, 2015

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#111

3 points for a win. 1 point for a draw.

MuhammadAreez10

Mar 6, 2015

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#112

People would loath draws then. Football-style!

GnrfFrtzl

Mar 6, 2015

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#113

kaptenk írta:

GnrfFrtzl wrote:

kaptenk írta:

GnrfFrtzl wrote:

kaptenk írta:

This is one that I have thought about with the purpose of eliminating whatever advantage white has of starting the game. All current rules apply up to the point where black is checkmated. Then black gets an extra move. If black then can checkmate white, it is a draw. White at the move wins, you say; I say draw:

Whatever advantage white has, it's definitely not worth an extra move.

That is a good point. If white mates, with the current rules white has made one move more than black.

That is one point of view.
I don't agree with it. I don't think that white has an advantage.
White is the first to move, yes, but is forced to reveal his plan.
Black can answer adequately, and that is just as a good advantage as going first.
We still don't know what is the case, because chess is not yet (and probably won't be) solved by computers the same way as Tic Tac Toe or checkers, where they found that with perfect play the first player can force a win.
The stats that say that white wins about 2% more times than black is just simply coincidental.

Funny, first you say that an extra move is a big advantage for black but when you realise that white is given one with the current rules, black can compensate for it.

I don't know where you got your statistics. Here are some that contradict yours: http://www.chessgames.com/chessstats.html

Even if you were right, 2% would be a lot if a big number of games were considered. Assuming that the real probability for white to win is 50%, then 5050 white wins of 10000 games (2% more than black wins) would happen with a probability of some 15%. It is a binomial distribution with the parameters 10000 and 0.5. If a million games were considered it would be less than one per thousand.

I wasn't actually trying to give an actual fact, I was just trying to make a point about the results being coincidental, since they're played by so many different players from different rating pools.
I also wasn't saying that the extra move is a big advantage because it is given to black, I was saying that if it could make you come back from a mate, that would be.
My English is wacky, can't always make myself clear.

Punisher00

Mar 6, 2015

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#114

A stale mate should count as a win for the person forcing the stale mate. That would have helped me in many many games.

juneaudog

Mar 6, 2015

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#115

Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:

If oy had a buzzer so you could give your opponent electrical shocks, but only 3 shocks pr game. It would be a world of strategic possibilities, for instance: Do you give him the 3 shocks right at the beginning to mess him up good, or save them for the endgame?

BZZZZZZZZ BZZZZZZZZ. BZZZZZZZZ RESIGN

juneaudog

Mar 6, 2015

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#116

chessweb101 wrote:

For example you could eliminate en passant, eliminate touch move from slow games, make pawns only go one square on the first move, etc.

Try not to alter the rules of the pieces themselves like a knight can actually go in a zigzag or something

never much cared for en passant, nor en gaurde (sp) REALLY DON'T LIKE THE HUGE RUDE NOTIFICATION THAT BLASTS YOU IN THE FACE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAD A MATE IN ONE AND YOUR OPPONENT HAD MATE NOW . AND IT WAS A JACK IN THE BOX END.THEN KABAM . WITH TECH TODAY A SUBTLE DROP DOWN WOULD WORK WELL. HATE THE KABAM.

GnrfFrtzl

Mar 6, 2015

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#117

shreckm8 írta:

How about check is eliminated?

The game strategy wouldnt change at all, but if you are put in check, you dont have to move or block. You would have to win by capturing the opposing king.

It's pointless.
The game is already won by capturing the opposing king, we just don't play out the very last move.

ThrillerFan

Mar 6, 2015

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#118

puttster wrote:

Black cannot copy white for more than three moves.

Don't play BS like the Exchange French as White and this won't happen.

Otherwise, Black has every right to make whatever legal move he wants - it's bad enough he has to go second:

ThrillerFan

Mar 6, 2015

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#119

Punisher00 wrote:

A stale mate should count as a win for the person forcing the stale mate. That would have helped me in many many games.

So in other words, you are whining about being incapable of avoiding stalemate, and that you think you should get the win for your own faults.

Try again bro - the object of the game is to capture the king - the rules simply end the game when that can't be avoided (known as checkmate) rather than actually waiting to have it physically captured.

If you can't capture my King, you don't deserve to win. If you aren't attacking my king, and leave me without a move, suck it up kid, you got yourself a DRAW!

GnrfFrtzl

Mar 6, 2015

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#120

owltuna írta:

Stalemate as a draw makes perfect sense, as Thriller Fan stated. The inferior king has found safe haven amidst the swarming enemy army. Too bad so sad. And oh by the way, some of the most brilliant games ever played were made so by a creative stalemating defense.

I'm imagining the situation as a knight and a bishop are running towards the king with their weapons drawn, but at the last moment he climbs up to the top of the bookshelf.
- HA! You can not reach me up here!
- *sighs* Fine, let's agree to a draw...