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kco

you read the whole bloody thing !? seriously ? get off the grass !

Streptomicin
HotFlow wrote:

There is no such thing as "strategically position" it is just a made up buzz word, so people can feel in-the-know.


Well, we can debate about that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This can be called strategically position.

It has its why, and for. Every piece is there for some good reason.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This however, is a position, but I doubt there is anything strategically about it.

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=15124851

essnov

OK. My understanding of english is not great but here's my take on the debate of strategically position and etc.

"Strategically" is an adverb, which means it is going to modify a verb or an adjective. It cannot modify a noun! That's an adjective's job.

Here is the word modifying an adjective: (bold is modifier, underline is modified verb/adjective/noun)

"My knight is strategically positioned in the center of the board."

a verb:

"I will strategically position my knight in the center of the board."

Very important to note that here, position is a verb, not a noun.

If you want to qualify position as a noun, you must say "a strategic position" where strategic is an adjective, not an adverb.

If you look at a position and notice that every piece is strategically positioned, it is still awkward to call the position "strategic." Maybe there is some context in which it would work, but it sounds pretty awkward to me.

Timmeh_86

This thread was awesome. I too just read it front to back...

I have a project presentation early tomorrow morning, and I just invested an hour of my time brushing up on the exact meanings of Strategy!

Good work BQ - your patience is inspiring...

taots_11

ok borgqueen,if you want me to stop this question about strategic,you have to answer my question.this is my question i look up to the dictionary and i find out that the word strategic is an adjective of strategy ok?.it is like the word beautiful and beautiful is an adjective of beauty right?.now do you agree of this or not?,just say yes or no ok?.i wait again to your response borgqueen.

taots_11

see essnov agree to me borgqueen.he say that strategic is an adjective of a noun strategy.its like the word beautiful and the word beautiful is an adjective of the word noun beauty and the word beauty is a noun.so the word beautiful is an adjective of the noun beauty.do you agree too borgqueen?.i wait to your answer again borgqueen.

taots_11

here is what you gonna do essnov,so that you can find out that i am right ok?.get a dictionary and look up the word strategy and you will see after the meaning of the word strategy you can see the word strategic and it show there that the word strategic is an adjective right?.so i am right the word strategic is an adjective of the noun word strategy.i wait to your response essnov.you are the first one who agree what im talking about here. 

PvtPoorwill

Essnov, it appears you are the new hero of this thread. (Or at least Borgqueen's sidekick)

goldendog

Another classic, tonydal lol.

essnov
tonydal wrote:

"hi borgqueen, im your biggest fan sir.

in my eyes youll probably cure cancer.

thanks for the light you bring.

oh yes just one more thing,

what's strategic? i wait to your answer."


That's a good one. Money mouth

 

Also- my last post was mostly directed at some other people in the thread who seemed to be having some minor difficulties.

 

Kurogkug: You are right! I agree with you. I think Borgqueen agrees with you as well. Everyone agrees. Strategic is an adjective; strategy a noun. It's like beauty and beautiful.

kabawka

Don't tell me this thread is ending...Cry

taots_11

im glad you agree guys.now i think there is 2 meaning of strategic 1 is the answer before of borgqueen,about the movie independence day,when the alien strategically position thier aircraft around the word and number 2 is the word strategic is an adjective.do you agree of this essnov and borgqueen?.i wait to your answer guys.

taots_11

im glad you agree to me borgqueen.i think essnov is wrong about the sentence  he said that chess is a strategy game borgqueen, i mean he is right that chess is a strategy game but what he is wrong is he's grammar because the right thing he must say is chess is a strategic game not a strategy game, am i right borgqueen?.remember that strategic is an adjective of strategy am i right again borgqueen.i wait again to your response borgqueen.

goldendog

I forget. What happens after  kurogkug comes to the definitive end of his grammatical excursion?

Paranoid-Android

@kurogkug - English is not my first language, but as far as I know both are correct, but have slightly different meaning.

"Strategy game" is game based on strategy. Chess is one of many strategy games.

"Strategic game" can mean a certain game in which strategy was used. Bad example, but anyway: 2 players played 4 chess games aimlessly and based on luck. Then they both played the 5th game with a plan. So the 5th out of all 5 games can be called a "strategic game" compared to the other games that these 2 players have played.

You will hear the phrase "strategy game" much more often than "strategic game".

 

 

I'm actually interested if my interpretation is correct. I promise I will understand and won't drag this over 11 pages.

essnov

OK. Let's do this. Yell

The case of "strategy game" vs. "strategic game" is an interesting one, kurogkug - which leads us to today's english lesson: COMPLEX NOUN PHRASES.

Disclaimer: english is not my first language and attending english classes wasn't one of my highest priorities during high school.

A complex noun phrase is what happens when we make a noun phrase composed of two or more nouns. This kind of construct comes up in everyday english. Here are some examples to give you an idea of what kind of things we use complex noun phrases to refer to:

- computer screen (screen of a computer)

- door handle (handle of a door)

- car door window control access panel (the panel of access of control of the window of the door of the car)

You get the idea. Instead of using prepositions to connect a long succession of nouns, we string them together back to back. It's sometimes a more natural way of forming a sentence. It can also help shorten a sentence and/or make it more coherent. Since coherence is an important part of being able to communicate, that makes complex noun phrases very practical for everyday communication.

Now that we know all of this crap, what can we say about the phrase "strategy game"?

You guessed it, kurogkug. It is a complex noun phrase composed of the two nouns "strategy" and "game."

It also may be correct to say that chess is a strategic game. Can we say that chess is a game characterized by strategy? I guess so.

Welp. That's that.

i wait to your question...

bigpoison
essnov wrote:- car door window control access panel (the panel of access of control of the window of the door of the car)"

I think you mean the switch.

essnov

yes i was just trying to make up a ridiculous example haha

bigpoison

I know essnov, I was just havin' a bit of fun.

goldendog
tonydal wrote:
goldendog wrote:

I forget. What happens after kurogkug comes to the definitive end of his grammatical excursion?


I believe he then takes us all out to McDonald's (and not just borgqueen and essnov either--we're all piling in the VW).


 So long as it's not fava beans and a nice chianti.

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