if you know

I agree -- I'd never dispute that, but what it's not is a man-made ideal -- it's the absence of one.

nor.. not believing in something is not a belief. Believe that something doesn't exist is a belief

Not believing one belief is not a belief, believing one belief is wrong is a belief

But things don't exist in and of themselves - once you're aware of any belief, you're pretty much forced to either accept it, or the opposite which sustains its meaning (or naturally, some gradation between the two).

Looks like there are some other people you need to convince too.  Maybe you need to shop around for a higher pedestal?

However, I will bow out of the topic of why some need a meaning for life, as it has reached the repetition stage and no new points are being made.  Meanwhile, until your buddy Kuro chimes back in, we need to do something to provide some relief from the rigors and stress of online chess.

How about something less controversial?  I saw a tiny article yesterday on the 5th page of the sports section that said the U.S. tied some country 1-1 in something called a world cup.  Anyone got any idea what that's all about? 

--Cystem 

I wouldn't ask about that.  It was even more boring than the stretches of the Cubs - White Sox meeting I was reduced to watching afterwards.

Make no mistake, not believing in something is the same thing as believing it doesn't exist, and as such is a belief in its own right.

Here was a nice endgame I played, probably some mistakes but one of the positions where many books I see these kind in >>>

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game.html?id=30533809

Which doesn't make Australia any less sucky.  HI-YO!!!!!!

...sorry.

I don't agree with that at all either

So...we all agree to disagree.

Agreed

facts do not cease to exist because we ignore them

This is verging towards a debate on the merits of existentialism. Forgive me for quoting Einstein, who put it quite succinctly: "I like to think the moon is there, even though I am not looking at it."

But if Einstein wasn't looking at it, would the moon make a noise if it fell into the forest? 

For those in the forest, yes, and for him, a bit later.

I cried out of laughter when I read this.

And for all the people who say that not believing in something is not a belief. I will say this:

Saying "I do not believe that humans are egg monsters," is the same as saying "I believe that humans are not egg monsters."

It is impossible to "not believe" in anything. Make sense? If you disagree, you form an opinion, thus also forming beliefs.

I haven't said that it was possible "not believe". I think everybody have his notions about what is good what is wrong, how to expect from something... Beliefs play a paper in a human life and determinate the way one person faces to reality (better said the beliefs he has about the reality) I've just said that the basis of beliefs that shape the person it's not constituted for the things he doesn't believe in.

(sorry for broken English I hope I've explained well)

"And for all the people who say that not believing in something is not a belief."

Then you don't have to be defensive. I actually knew someone would post saying something like that. 

I agree with your last statement, though your statement and my argument exist on different planes. I was stating that when you choose not to believe in something, you form beliefs in something else. Therefore, are we both not correct?

If I choose not to believe in God, I'm not implying there's not God.

I just abandon it as a working hypothesis, i.e., my criteria to do one thing or another is not based in what God thinks about it (I even don't know if God exists)