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annoyingtriangle

I was playing a tournament, and my opponent and I were in a time scramble. My opponent made an illegal move, and I thought that I would get two minutes on my clock, which would almost guarantee me a win as I was up 3 pawns in an endgame. However, the tournament director decided to allow my opponent to take back his move and play a new one, and I lost on time. He told me that he thought that deciding whether or not to award the penalty was at the discretion of the tournament director. Does anyone know if I should've gotten time or not? This tournament was USCF rated, by the way.

In this position, he played Ke2.

Martin_Stahl
annoyingtriangle wrote:

I was playing a tournament, and my opponent and I were in a time scramble. My opponent made an illegal move, and I thought that I would get two minutes on my clock, which would almost guarantee me a win as I was up 3 pawns in an endgame. However, the tournament director decided to allow my opponent to take back his move and play a new one, and I lost on time. He told me that he thought that deciding whether or not to award the penalty was at the discretion of the tournament director. Does anyone know if I should've gotten time or not? This tournament was USCF rated, by the way.

In this position, he played Ke2.

 

Assuming there wasn't a delay or increment of 30 seconds or more, you should have received 2 minutes on the clock. Rule 11D1 (11D is the standard penalty)  https://new.uschess.org/rule-book-updates-and-changes#_11D1

annoyingtriangle

What should be done, since he didn't give me the penalty, and I flagged?

Batman2508
annoyingtriangle wrote:

What should be done, since he didn't give me the penalty, and I flagged?

We're you recording the moves? And what was the time control? As for what you can do, maybe avoid playing there in the future I wouldn't go as far as trying to get his TD title terminated 

JJRSChess

Legal Moves

Martin_Stahl
annoyingtriangle wrote:

What should be done, since he didn't give me the penalty, and I flagged?

 

Once the game was recorded as a loss I don't think there's any you can do.  Appeals are possible but have to get done during the event.

Martin_Stahl
Batman2508 wrote:
annoyingtriangle wrote:

What should be done, since he didn't give me the penalty, and I flagged?

We're you recording the moves? And what was the time control? As for what you can do, maybe avoid playing there in the future I wouldn't go as far as trying to get his TD title terminated 

 

A TD isn't going to lose their certification for an incorrect ruling.

Batman2508
Martin_Stahl wrote:
annoyingtriangle wrote:

What should be done, since he didn't give me the penalty, and I flagged?

 

Once the game was recorded as a loss I don't think there's any you can do.  Appeals are possible but have to get done during the event.

So basically no action to get back rating

JJRSChess

1 and 1

98 yards lost.

99 and 2.

Knee.

99 and 3. 

Knee.

99 and 4.

Knee.

llama36

I've seen some crazy stuff, like a guy storm out of the playing hall and not return (mad because  he'd been winning for a long time, but blundered into a dead draw endgame)... and his opponent marked it as a loss for him... since the guy didn't return he didn't notice this.... so the game was recorded as a loss for him.

He was pretty mad about it later, but his opponent claimed that he resigned...

You have to resolve that stuff as soon as possible. After the tournament has been submitted it's too late, because think about it, anyone could come up with a crazy story weeks later and fight to change their results. It would be a huge mess if they allowed that.

Batman2508
llama36 wrote:

I've seen some crazy stuff, like a guy storm out of the playing hall and not return (mad because  he'd been winning for a long time, but blundered into a dead draw endgame)... and his opponent marked it as a loss for him... since the guy didn't return he didn't notice this.... so the game was recorded as a loss for him.

He was pretty mad about it later, but his opponent claimed that he resigned...

You have to resolve that stuff as soon as possible. After the tournament has been submitted it's too late, because think about it, anyone could come up with a crazy story weeks later and fight to change their results. It would be a huge mess if they allowed that.

Technically wouldn't the guy still have lots cuz he would ran out of time.

annoyingtriangle
Batman2508 wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
annoyingtriangle wrote:

What should be done, since he didn't give me the penalty, and I flagged?

 

Once the game was recorded as a loss I don't think there's any you can do.  Appeals are possible but have to get done during the event.

So basically no action to get back rating

So, we play one game a week and after five games, he puts in the tournament to USCF. This was week three, so is there still something that I can do because it wasn't submitted yet?

annoyingtriangle
llama36 wrote:

I've seen some crazy stuff, like a guy storm out of the playing hall and not return (mad because  he'd been winning for a long time, but blundered into a dead draw endgame)... and his opponent marked it as a loss for him... since the guy didn't return he didn't notice this.... so the game was recorded as a loss for him.

He was pretty mad about it later, but his opponent claimed that he resigned...

You have to resolve that stuff as soon as possible. After the tournament has been submitted it's too late, because think about it, anyone could come up with a crazy story weeks later and fight to change their results. It would be a huge mess if they allowed that.

He didn't rate the tournament yet; he will in two weeks. 

MOOSE42096

I to agree

llama36
Batman2508 wrote:
llama36 wrote:

I've seen some crazy stuff, like a guy storm out of the playing hall and not return (mad because  he'd been winning for a long time, but blundered into a dead draw endgame)... and his opponent marked it as a loss for him... since the guy didn't return he didn't notice this.... so the game was recorded as a loss for him.

He was pretty mad about it later, but his opponent claimed that he resigned...

You have to resolve that stuff as soon as possible. After the tournament has been submitted it's too late, because think about it, anyone could come up with a crazy story weeks later and fight to change their results. It would be a huge mess if they allowed that.

Technically wouldn't the guy still have lots cuz he would ran out of time.

His story was after he blundered his opponent laughed and offered a draw to mock him, and he was mad but he accepted and left. There were some spectators that said there was some talking between them like this then the guy just left. His opponent claimed he resigned (even though the position was a draw and that doesn't make sense).

llama36
annoyingtriangle wrote:
llama36 wrote:

I've seen some crazy stuff, like a guy storm out of the playing hall and not return (mad because  he'd been winning for a long time, but blundered into a dead draw endgame)... and his opponent marked it as a loss for him... since the guy didn't return he didn't notice this.... so the game was recorded as a loss for him.

He was pretty mad about it later, but his opponent claimed that he resigned...

You have to resolve that stuff as soon as possible. After the tournament has been submitted it's too late, because think about it, anyone could come up with a crazy story weeks later and fight to change their results. It would be a huge mess if they allowed that.

He didn't rate the tournament yet; he will in two weeks. 

When I did some TD-ing I submitted the results to the USCF that night. It might take 2 weeks before you see them, but that's not when they were submitted.

Maybe this guy waits for 2 weeks... but I think that'd be weird.

annoyingtriangle
No, the tournament will be over in two weeks, because every week one round is played. The tournament will finish in two weeks.
llama36

Oh.

banannna23

What was the time control?

annoyingtriangle
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