IM Greg Shahade: "Slow Chess should die a fast death"!

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pineyman

  You can tell the time contols when walking into a tournament room. How?... White and gray haired competitors?... It's slow chess.... We old timers play for fun...For us winning is a part of the fun but not the only reason for playing....Slow chess is like reading the book and fast chess is like reading a two page summary of the book.  

fightingbob
SmyslovFan wrote:

Greg Shahade says that slow chess should die a fast death. He points out that less than 1% of 1% of all online games is slow (longer than G/60), and that when people want to have fun playing chess, they play fast chess. 

He argues that it's time professional chess players start playing 30+5 time controls instead of the standard 5 hour games. 

I agree! 

Read what he has to say. Yeah, it's controversial, but it makes great sense to me!

https://gregshahade.wordpress.com/2015/11/02/slow-chess-should-die-a-fast-death/

Though I enjoy your posts, SmyslovFan, whether on Fischer or other GMs of the past, I strongly disagree with you on this one.  Chess is not a video game and it's not about how quick your reflexes are, it's about deeply conceived ideas executed with precision and aplomb.

The first thing I see is the endgame being given short shrift.  Unfortunately, that has already happened with the rise of the machines and the death of the adjournment.  I also see faster time controls placing a premium on preparation, but for better and for worse, the machines have already had their effect there too.

The worst consequence of increased speed will be to shift the delicate balance between art, science and sport to primarily sport.  Truth is, we have already been moving in that questionable direction with the winner of the U.S. Championship determined by blitz and even armageddon.  Now it has spread around the world, and in my opinion cheapening the final results.

Don't get me wrong, I love a sporting challenge.  I was around to watch the first Superbowl in 1967 when the Packers were tough and Lombardy was king, and I'll be there when the Broncos put the crowning touch on Payton Manning's career with a solid win (fingers crossed), but chess is not football and I don't ever want it to be.

Interestingly, there is greater despair in losing a classically timed game, particularly if the slip comes in what used to be the fifth hour for the pros and the fourth hour for us amateurs.  With shorter sessions it's "Set 'em up Joe, I'm ready to go."  It's a rack of 9-Ball compared to 150 points in straight pool.  It's about action, not depth.

I can say with absolute certainty that my exposure to chess at the age of eight would never have blossomed into a deep love if the game had been reduced to an adrenaline rush in lieu of the deep pleasure of playing through the games of the greats, savoring the sometimes subtle, sometimes dramatic moves, a canvas of thought painted in shades of black and white.

But don't worry, SmyslovFan, with our ADHD-addicted culture, Greg Shahade's wish will come true; he will be a prophet in his own time.  "Action, not depth" will be our rallying cry.

lolurspammed

Fightingbob +1000

ponz111
MindWalk wrote:

My master friend tells me that he sees practically all the tactics he's going to see in a position at first glance. I find that fascinating, and I wish I saw tactics as quickly as he does. But I don't. In general, the more time I take, the more tactics I see and the deeper I see into the position. Sometimes this pays off; sometimes it doesn't. But I sure want the time.

He probably sees the easier tactics [which are about 80% of all tactics] immediately. The other 20% or so he sees the conditions where there might be a winning tactic and then has to think hard to figure out the tactics.  There are a few tactics he will see the conditions which might lead to a tactic but maybe he cannot work it out.  

Here is one example of how to learn a tactic...2nd game I ever played USCF

U S Open Omaha 1959 Round 2

D Taylor vs Erich Marchand [master]



Senior-Lazarus_Long
SmyslovFan wrote:

Greg Shahade says that slow chess should die a fast death. He points out that less than 1% of 1% of all online games is slow (longer than G/60), and that when people want to have fun playing chess, they play fast chess. 

He argues that it's time professional chess players start playing 30+5 time controls instead of the standard 5 hour games. 

I agree! 

Read what he has to say. Yeah, it's controversial, but it makes great sense to me!

https://gregshahade.wordpress.com/2015/11/02/slow-chess-should-die-a-fast-death/

When I want to have fun,I make a match at 3 days/move.

ponz111

Mr. Shadade apparently has a personal preference for faster games at the rated tournament level.

That is his preference. But on these forums there have been endless arguments over which speed of chess is "best". This is from one minute chess to correspondence chess.

There really is no "best". To each his own.  Often players like and play several speeds of chess.  I have played 5 minute chess where sometimes a move can take less than 1 second. And correspondence chess where it is possible to make a move which took about 2 or 3 weeks to figure out.

The_Ghostess_Lola

IDK about chess but....

Live slow, die young, and leave a beautiful corpse....dammit, I wish I would've lived fast !

Senior-Lazarus_Long

If you're 20 or younger,you could easily live to be 150. Some estimates are longer.Cool huh?

vkappag

Greg is also better at chess than 99% of this forum could ever get close to being

lolurspammed

He still wants to destroy chess, for which I can't forgive him.

toiyabe
umirin1991 wrote:

Greg is also better at chess than 99% of this forum could ever get close to being

What does that have to do with anything?  Doesn't change the fact that he's an utter moron.  

The_Ghostess_Lola

Where in the he!! have you been FaH ??

Drink some transparent juice ?....miised ya.

krm27

Ugg...any "+5" incremental time control will radically alter the way players need to think about time management. And you will also not have an absolute ending time for games, which can make tournament management trickier.  If you think it makes sense for professionals to play more quickly in tournaments, just shorten the time, like 3 hours.  However, I do not really favor that because it will necessarily have an adverse affect on perforamnce.  Less time means less time to analyze, period, so it must result in sloppier play to some degree, however minor.

toiyabe
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

Where in the he!! have you been FaH ??

Drink some transparent juice ?....miised ya.

I'm always lurking... :)

fightingbob

Frankly, fellas, I'm surprised most agree with me, to one degree or another.  I was expecting a slew of negative responses.  Gratified to know depth in major matches and championships still matters to quite a few players.

MindWalk

Oh, this whole thread has seen a lot of back-and-forth between advocates of faster time controls and advocates of slower ones. (I'm one of the latter.)

The_Ghostess_Lola

FaH and now Mindwalk !....and how have you been keeping ? I hope well....Smile....

whirlwind2011

@fightingbob: I am another who inwardly approved of your perspective. 

najdorf96

Indeed. In a word. My opinion about this is...

BRONCOS!!!

8D

Westwind_Downs

Bullet chess is pretty stupid.  Chess is not a sport.  I'm resonably sure Samoa is an American territory.  Some people take to long to make a move, consistantly.