In chess, why does white go first?

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siddirocks wrote:

To give both parties the same chances, they should start simultaneously.

that would not work at all

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siddirocks wrote:

To give both parties the same chances, they should start simultaneously.

Chess is a game of Strategy, if both sides moved at the same time, it would be a game of chance. And then if you wanted to continue the same chances, each side would have to keep moving at the same time, allowing mostly chance and little strategy

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siddirocks wrote:

To give both parties the same chances, they should start simultaneously.

I have conceived of that.

2 clocks. 2 different kind of chess games at the same time.

Western Chess and Chinese Chess.

Flip a coin.

The one who moves first in Western Chess moves second in Chinese Chess.

If you are losing on one side, you can let the clock run and play on the other side.

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It’s the rule.
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siddirocks wrote:

To give both parties the same chances, they should start simultaneously.

It exists.

In boxing.

MMA is the perfect form of chess.

In a very near future, MMA fighters will be smarter than chess players.

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White moves first is a convention to eliminate the unnecessary duplication of Black moves first.

So that positions are standardized. Positions cannot be standardized if you don't know who moves first.

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The same rationale for Algebraic Notation, from White's point of view.

You can't have 2 confusing points of view, like we did in Descriptive Notation.

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I don't know.

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I am writing it here so that there is a record of me first proposing this idea (incase someone later says that they invented this idea, they didn't i did, and this here post is a record of such idea, thus preserved and copyrighted).. I propose that in the interest of harmony - BOTH black and white move first. Hereby chess is solved. One love. EDIT: i see above that someone already had my idea... ok... new idea.... NOBODY starts first. fin.

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OvercookedOctopusFeet wrote:

I propose that in the interest of harmony - BOTH black and white move first. Hereby chess is solved. One love. EDIT: i see above that someone already had my idea... ok... new idea.... NOBODY starts first. fin.

Either Black or White moves first existed in history.

Same with Chinese Chess. Then Chinese Chess adopted Western Chess, Red moves first.

White moves first for reasons above.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/in-chess-why-does-white-go-first?quote_id=97211289&page=4#comment-95978609

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/in-chess-why-does-white-go-first?quote_id=97211289&page=4#comment-95978681

To this day, there are Chinese Chess players who do not know Red moves first.

You have that backwards.

It is you who have other people's ideas.

The world is very old, with many people who come before you, who probably thought about everything.

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KeSetoKaiba wrote:
Srinibas_Masanta wrote:

My curiosity lead me to this question.

Please comment if know you the reason or any info. regarding this topic..

Historically, either side was able to move first. Players would just decide who goes first in each game; sometimes white and sometimes black. It was only decided that white should move first circa year 1500s so that standardizing could make writing opening notation easier.

p.s. My comment will probably get buried, but this is what I heard regarding why white moves first. Unrelated topic, but if you want to play Chaturanga (game chess originated from), it is a chess.com variant! https://www.chess.com/variants/chaturanga

your comment did not get buried, it was what Google gave to me as an answer.

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Racism

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Incidentally in Go and Shogi (Japanese Chess) the side that goes first is designated as Black, the other side is White.

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I beat the magnus Carlsen the magnus with 2882 score it is every easy

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cause chess is racist but in the new chess 2 update there will be an option for black to go first

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It’s the color usually because its white not being racis also I’m dark skinned its very weird but it is what it is

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DSi-camera wrote:

cause chess is racist but in the new chess 2 update there will be an option for black to go first

Oh, absolutely! Chess 2 is going to be so groundbreaking—just imagine, a whole new world where black pieces have a turn-first option! It’ll totally fix centuries of opening theory because that’s been the real issue with chess all along, right? Forget about memorizing 1.e4, now we can worry about 1...g5 instead! I heard they're even adding a ‘choose your color based on your mood’ feature. Who knew equality was just a patch away?

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I thought of a chess variant in which black gets to make the same number of moves as white. Instead of checkmate, the king has to be captured. If white captures black's king, black can draw the game if he captures white's king on the same move.

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