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teocaf

how about something that's based on pay as you go:  maybe you can buy let's say 10 games for a penny etc

SkepticGuy
teocaf wrote:

so how about something like this:  if you play for free (non subscription) how about every so often before you can start a new game you have to click and watch let's say one to three ads all the way through before you can continue.  

You're brushing up against a strategy some sites use, that of interstitial ads. Forbes.com (for example) uses those a lot -- a full page ad, with a minimum view timer, that shows before you can see content.

The primary barrier to getting something like that into place is traffic quality. While the demographics of those who visit Forbes.com might be attractive to full-page interstitial advertisers, I can't speak to what it might be here. Also, I suspect Chess.com has a great deal of international traffic -- right now, only US-based traffic is getting decent rates.

SkepticGuy
hicetnunc wrote:

Why not a subscription equivalent to the revenue generated by ads for a given member ?

@Skepticman : could you assess how much that would be for someone who visits the site every day ?

I've been through that math for my site. In reality, only about 0.5% (at best) of daily visitors would be paid accounts. So it doesn't work out.

SkepticGuy
rooperi wrote:

I'm not wealthy, I struggle to make ends meet in South Africa, come month end, there's verylittle left. even so, my situation is better than some.

Consider:

27 us cents per day, that's how much my breakfast costs. For some, it realy is a choice between 3 meals per day and premium. what would you choose?

That's been the "forgotten" factor in a lot of aspects of the Internet -- international users with expensive (for them) bandwidth caps.

Google (through DoubleClick) and Xaxis (and one or two others I can't recall), are working with many international service providers to implement systems where advertising assets don't count against your bandwidth useage. But it's probaly at least two years away for you, which sucks.

sleepingcatinthesun
SkepticGuy wrote:
sleepingcatinthesun wrote:

People have good reason to block ads from the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/technology/internet/15adco.html?_r=0

That story from five years ago doesn't apply now. There was a time when many poorly configured ad buying services would allow new advertiser accounts to upload ads and run them immediately. The result; hackers used stolen credit cards to start ad campaigns with assets that contained malicious code.

Today, such activity is simply not happening. There's a long series of checks and confirmation before new advertisers can create campaigns on ad networks, and creative assets are scanned for problems before allowed to run.

You're 100% wrong, these things are still happening.

Here's an article from a few weeks ago.  http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/porn-dethroned-top-source-mobile-malware-n44371

And another, even Yahoo has served up malvertising. http://www.zdnet.com/yahoo-serves-malicious-ads-7000024775/

salmiakki
sleepingcatinthesun wrote:
SkepticGuy wrote:
sleepingcatinthesun wrote:

People have good reason to block ads from the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/technology/internet/15adco.html?_r=0

That story from five years ago doesn't apply now. There was a time when many poorly configured ad buying services would allow new advertiser accounts to upload ads and run them immediately. The result; hackers used stolen credit cards to start ad campaigns with assets that contained malicious code.

Today, such activity is simply not happening. There's a long series of checks and confirmation before new advertisers can create campaigns on ad networks, and creative assets are scanned for problems before allowed to run.

You're 100% wrong, these things are still happening.

Here's an article from a few weeks ago.  http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/porn-dethroned-top-source-mobile-malware-n44371

And another, even Yahoo has served up malvertising. http://www.zdnet.com/yahoo-serves-malicious-ads-7000024775/

Thanks for serving up some sources. I know from my personal experience that this is still happening, and hopefully, this will convince him.

varelse1

I was going to get the chess.com subscription, so I wouldn't see these ads anymore. But now I understand how much that would hurt chess.com financially. Thank you for the info!

johnmusacha
teocaf wrote:

how about something that's based on pay as you go:  maybe you can buy let's say 10 games for a penny etc

That's the way it is on Chesscube, more or less.  You can't play more than a few games per day as a basic member anymore (unless you are betting and consistently winning).

salmiakki
varelse1 wrote:

I was going to get the chess.com subscription, so I wouldn't see these ads anymore. But now I understand how much that would hurt chess.com financially. Thank you for the info!

I love your response! It's a totally reasonable conclusion given what's been discussed here. Smile

SkepticGuy

Not really, just obtuse.

The value of one subscribed user is much higher than a non-subscribed visitor.

Segway_Enthusiast
SkepticGuy wrote:

Not really, just obtuse.

The value of one subscribed user is much higher than a non-subscribed visitor.

Only a non-subscribed user can turn into a subscribed user.  No non-subscribers = no subscribers.  Piss off all the non-subscribers with shitty ads and no subscribers!

salmiakki
SkepticGuy wrote:

The value of one subscribed user is much higher than a non-subscribed visitor.

Right! In theory, a subscribed user would have a higher value when compared one-on-one with an unsubscribed user, but if there are not enough paid subscribers on board, then a website's revenue would be mostly dependent upon ads. And since you seem to be saying that many sites aren't even breaking even with paid subscriptions, then the pool of users who see advertisements ends up paying the bills better than the subscribers. 

 

The alternative is to restrict even basic access to people who have subscribed, but that would conceivably hurt the site even more, wouldn't it? If we assume that everyone must pay to use this site (with the benefit of complete ad-elimination), the pool of users will shrink considerably and the subscription rates would have to skyrocket to compensate.

SkepticGuy

That's the unfortunate balancing act. On my site, we offer a couple fairly premium services, but never take subscriptions. We tend to have a few more ads per-page than some sites (but very tall pages), but as long as we keep the high-bandwidth ads on certain pages, people seem generally okay with the value trade.

But here, with the type of content, and levels of service, subscriptions make sense. 

Perhaps there should be a "donation fund" where those who are able can donate cash to a general fund, then from that fund subscriptions are regularly awarded to those who can't afford one.

NomadicKnight

Ads can be blocked, on any site, and it is the right of the person visiting said sites to use software that blocks obtrusive, often distracting or annoying and even sometimes downright disgusting advertisements. End of story.

Irontiger
NomadicKnight wrote:

Ads can be blocked, on any site, and it is the right of the person visiting said sites to use software that blocks obtrusive, often distracting or annoying and even sometimes downright disgusting advertisements. End of story.

Well, you don't get it. What SkepticGuy and others are criticizing are not your legal right to do so, but your moral right.

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Actually I don't get it either, but nevermind.

varelse1

Whoever wrote this article, may I please have his name, address, e-mail address, and phone number?

I have several things I would like to sell. Now that I know he never blocks ads.