Is 1400 a good rating for a chess player after 6 months?

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Cherub_Enjel

My daily rating is 1000, and I'm certainly not a class C player. You're right about that.

Cherub_Enjel

As a general rule, Daily rating + 1000 = USCF official. 

Ziryab
Dodger111 wrote:

Well I've been playing for 45 years and I can't break 1300 in blitz here so I'd say your improvement is phenomenal. 

 

Bad habits can be difficult. I've played chess even longer. As most of this chess has been against weak players, I have many self-destructive habits that have been rewarded instead of punished.

If you want to play well, you must play against players who understand the game.

Cherub_Enjel
BobbyTalparov wrote:
Cherub_Enjel wrote:

As a general rule, Daily rating + 1000 = USCF official. 

If only that were true ... I'd  have a GM stamp next to my name 

However, you also have to consider that USCF+600 = Live Blitz. Take both factors into account before you judge!

Cherub_Enjel
Ziryab wrote:
Dodger111 wrote:

Well I've been playing for 45 years and I can't break 1300 in blitz here so I'd say your improvement is phenomenal. 

 

Bad habits can be difficult. I've played chess even longer. As most of this chess has been against weak players, I have many self-destructive habits that have been rewarded instead of punished.

If you want to play well, you must play against players who understand the game.

With engines and plenty of online resources, even if you're not surrounded by stronger players, you can still improve by using an engine for objectivity. 

It's how I improved, at least. Before I jump to a conclusion, I always analyze myself and then see what the engine says. 

Focusing on the quality of your games, rather than the result, is also related to this. 

mgx9600
BobbyTalparov wrote:
mgx9600 wrote: 

Now, without cheating, given players A and B with chess.com ratings of 3000 and 1000 respectively, would you say that play A will have a higher rating than player B if they got rated in USCF?  That was my point.  Online chess is chess.

There are far too many other factors at play to determine that.  For example, say both players are playing daily games, but player A is making heavy use of the opening book while player B never uses it.  This means player A almost never makes a mistake in the opening, but also does not learn from the mistakes he would have made.  Thus, when he sits down at the board and does not have an opening database to consult, he is on his own from move 1.

 

I have a couple friends from a local club who are much higher rated than me (2000+) OTB, yet have lower online ratings that me.  Some of that is due to how they use online (for experimentation), but it also has to do with simply playing more games online.  Online ratings mean exactly nothing, and there is no way to consistently correlate online ratings to OTB ratings.

 

With that said, if you see someone with a sub-1200 online rating, you can be fairly certain (assuming they have enough games under their belt) that they are not a Class C or higher player, but you cannot assume that someone with a 2000 online rating is an expert, or even a Class A player (assuming no nefarious actions from them, that is).

 

I was referring to similar chess games.  If we compare different time controls and rules (allowed to consult books, computers, experts), then even on chess.com, those are separately rated.

 

Cherub_Enjel
BobbyTalparov wrote:
mgx9600 wrote:

I was referring to similar chess games.  If we compare different time controls and rules (allowed to consult books, computers, experts), then even on chess.com, those are separately rated.

 

That does not change anything.  There are players who are 1800+ in the chess.com blitz ratings who would not (and some, in fact, are not) rated higher than 1000 in OTB blitz.  A simple example to show this:  2 friends join the site and select 1200 as their starting rating.  They then play a match where player A wins 16 of 20 games and ends up with a 1600+ rating, while the other ends up around 900.  In reality, both players are sub-1100 players with player A being stronger (say, 1000 vs 600 for player B).  Yes, you can tell that player A is stronger than player B, in this case, because they have played each other.  Introduce player C who is rated 1500 after playing several opponents of varying strengths with mixed results.  Who is stronger:  Player A with the 1600+ rating, or Player C with the 1500 rating?  (The answer:  there is no way to tell!)

Just to let you know, 16/20, or 80%, is a rating separation of approximately 250 points, while 15/20 is roughly 200 points. 1200s playing each other would therefore not diverge from more than ~250 points from each other's ratings given 16/20. It would be more like 1075 and 1325 rating, at most.

Harmbtn
BobbyTalparov wrote:

That does not change anything.  There are players who are 1800+ in the chess.com blitz ratings who would not (and some, in fact, are not) rated higher than 1000 in OTB blitz.  A simple example to show this:  2 friends join the site and select 1200 as their starting rating.  They then play a match where player A wins 16 of 20 games and ends up with a 1600+ rating, while the other ends up around 900.  In reality, both players are sub-1100 players with player A being stronger (say, 1000 vs 600 for player B).  Yes, you can tell that player A is stronger than player B, in this case, because they have played each other.  Introduce player C who is rated 1500 after playing several opponents of varying strengths with mixed results.  Who is stronger:  Player A with the 1600+ rating, or Player C with the 1500 rating?  (The answer:  there is no way to tell!)

These are extreme examples and could be considered rating manipulation, not all data is perfect.

But for the average player, someone who has played enough games at different time controls for their rating to settle in, and who queues up against random strangers, you can give a pretty close estimate.

Obviously you cannot use this method in a case where someone hasn't played enough games, or does other things to unnaturally affect their rating.

 

Chess Rating Comparison 2016

Cherub_Enjel

Yes, I'd guess 1300-1400, but wouldn't be surprised for 1600.

What I would be very very surprised would be to find that black was less than 1000, when it should much higher. 

Harmbtn
BobbyTalparov wrote:

 

Even in your small sample size,

Not that small actually

you notice there is a gap between all of the ratings (and some fairly large differences in several of them).

That's the whole point of looking at the data, to see how they compare

 

LouStule
imsighked2 wrote:

 Don't get too hung up on your rating, or you may not be willing to experiment with new openings, lines, etc.

True. Not long ago a GM on here said" Don't worry about your rating...worry about your playing strength." It's sound advice and heeding it has helped me to grow.

Jenium
BobbyFischerismyLord wrote:

Hello everybody,

I've begun chess 6 months ago and I wanted to know your personal experiment and how long does it take to become a 2000 rated player if we are determined?

thanks for your answers

1400 in Blitz after 6 months is pretty impressive in my opinion. It will be harder though the higher you climb the ladder, so make sure to enjoy the process...

As for your question, it depends on many things:  age, motivation, the way you practice, talent etc.

YoYoYudi

Hmmm, so are you asking about Fide ratings or online ratings? Both are quite different, most of the FIDE tournaments are of classical format and games usually lasts for more than 3 hours. I played my first tournament in May 2019 (at the age of 28), after playing 6 games I abandoned last 3 games as I was just too tired of playing those long games for 2 days. 

Fortunately all of my games were against rated players, so I got a classical FIDE ratings of 1084

Online blitz ratings and bullet ratings are useless in my opinion if you are targeting for FIDE ratings.

I think starting at a early age, financial support, studying the chess for 3-10 hours daily and playing at lots of OTB FIDE tournaments will take you there soon. 

BobbyFischerismyLord
EnergizeMrSpock a écrit :

no way OP learned the moves 6 months ago and is now 2000+ at blitz..NO WAY...! obvious engine cheater

I'm not an engine cheater ask my opponents before trash talking, I played now for less than 3 years...

Lokpa

Definitely yes. I am playing now since middle 2018 (around june july) and my rating on lichess is 1500 so we can say i am a 1200-1300 here. So for 6 months is very impressive ! I looked about a lots of account how are playing since many years and stuck at 1800 in blitz and over cadences.

 

 

Griffith1211
yureesystem wrote:
mgx9600 wrote:

Online rating is as good as OTB rating because when you decide to play OTB, it'll translate.  Based on my small sample of kids between 500-1200 USCF, their chess.com's online rating is pretty close.

 

 I don't think so. At the chess site I rated 2264 and otb rating 2011 uscf, I told a player my rating 2264, they will assume fide or uscf, not online. The only rating respect otb rating not online rating. I know fplayers who atre rated 2500 to 2600 online, I sorry but they don't count. No online player who has a high rating is GM without having the title from FIDE.

This didn't age too well.

xavierearth

I dont belive your 1400 after 6 months

 

SanjaynathS

hi

KriVysh

Isn't chess.com using the Glicko System so wouldn't be more accurate to compare Online Ratings to that of Glicko Rated players?

BroiledRat
And now OP broke 2000 rapid, this aged well for them.

It’s always nice to come back to old threads like these and see improvement as opposed to stagnation. :)

Good on you OP.