IS CHESS A SPORT?????????

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ExploringWA wrote:
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I don't know of any GMs who are or were obese. But I do know that other people besides GMs play chess. Myself included. I'm neither obese, nor a GM. I'm just wondering, if physical fitness is some sort of skill, why would a clumsy, obese person be able to so easily beat a very fit, agile, strong, healthy athlete?

Also wondering what sports don't have any physical skill. 

If Chess requires no physical skill, why are all Chess GM’s fit?

Probably because it helps with what they do. Being fit is not a physical skill though. Some people are genetically physically fit. It helps with anything you do. Being fit helps you live longer, there is no down side. But being fit doesn't get the pieces on the board to move to best square. Even an extremely clumsy obese person has minimal difficulty moving the pieces to the best square. Besides, very few chess players are GMs. That really has nothing to do with anything. Enjoying a sport or game doesn't require a minimal level of proficiency. Someone who has only played tennis for a year is still playing tennis. You don't say "you've only been playing a year, you aren't a world class player, therefore you aren't playing tennis".

A physical skill is a body movement that is used to do something, or, to do something better than someone else. None of the physical movement, or skill, parts of chess are used to determine a winner. The skill used to move a piece, sit in a chair, breathe, scratch your head, sneeze, hit a clock, or write down moves doesnt determine the winner. You can eliminate ALL those things and people can still enjoy a game of chess. Sometimes two people can play an entire game of chess entirely in their heads. No board, no pieces, no moving, nothing. Just telling each other the moves. No physical skill. None. 

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lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

I don't know of any GMs who are or were obese. But I do know that other people besides GMs play chess. Myself included. I'm neither obese, nor a GM. I'm just wondering, if physical fitness is some sort of skill, why would a clumsy, obese person be able to so easily beat a very fit, agile, strong, healthy athlete?

Also wondering what sports don't have any physical skill. 

If Chess requires no physical skill, why are all Chess GM’s fit?

Probably because it helps with what they do. Being fit is not a physical skill though. Some people are genetically physically fit. It helps with anything you do. Being fit helps you live longer, there is no down side. But being fit doesn't get the pieces on the board to move to best square. Even an extremely clumsy obese person has minimal difficulty moving the pieces to the best square. Besides, very few chess players are GMs. That really has nothing to do with anything. Enjoying a sport or game doesn't require a minimal level of proficiency. Someone who has only played tennis for a year is still playing tennis. You don't say "you've only been playing a year, you aren't a world class player, therefore you aren't playing tennis".

A physical skill is a body movement that is used to do something, or, to do something better than someone else. None of the physical movement, or skill, parts of chess are used to determine a winner. The skill used to move a piece, sit in a chair, breathe, scratch your head, sneeze, hit a clock, or write down moves doesnt determine the winner. You can eliminate ALL those things and people can still enjoy a game of chess. Sometimes two people can play an entire game of chess entirely in their heads. No board, no pieces, no moving, nothing. Just telling each other the moves. No physical skill. None. 

The problem you have, is that you know Chess requires physical skill. Your argument is that it’s not physical “enough.”  

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my brain died like a week ago

can you make this a little more simplier?

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Emor_Clide wrote:

my brain died like a week ago

can you make this a little more simplier?

gandhi or lebron james

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gandhi

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Emor_Clide wrote:

gandhi

so chess ain't physical

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=.=

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lol i cant think of anything else I just made that up

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ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

I don't know of any GMs who are or were obese. But I do know that other people besides GMs play chess. Myself included. I'm neither obese, nor a GM. I'm just wondering, if physical fitness is some sort of skill, why would a clumsy, obese person be able to so easily beat a very fit, agile, strong, healthy athlete?

Also wondering what sports don't have any physical skill. 

If Chess requires no physical skill, why are all Chess GM’s fit?

 

Many are, for the reasons you note. World Champion Magnus Carlsen is extremely fit and athletic.

Nonetheless, not all are fit. Ben Finegold is corpulent. Several others are obese (I suspect that even Anand is borderline obese these days, although he was more fit fifteen years ago).

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Ziryab wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

I don't know of any GMs who are or were obese. But I do know that other people besides GMs play chess. Myself included. I'm neither obese, nor a GM. I'm just wondering, if physical fitness is some sort of skill, why would a clumsy, obese person be able to so easily beat a very fit, agile, strong, healthy athlete?

Also wondering what sports don't have any physical skill. 

If Chess requires no physical skill, why are all Chess GM’s fit?

 

Many are, for the reasons you note. World Champion Magnus Carlsen is extremely fit and athletic.

Nonetheless, not all are fit. Ben Finegold is corpulent. Several others are obese (I suspect that even Anand is borderline obese these days, although he was more fit fifteen years ago).

Finegold is not now nor was he ever a top competitor, so I guess I need to state that among top Chess competitors, they are statistically, nearly, all fit. It is no different than most other sports. 

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The other question Ben Finegold brings to the table, is would he have been the world champion, had physical fitness played a more central role in his training?

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Is Sport a Sport?

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Ziryab wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

I don't know of any GMs who are or were obese. But I do know that other people besides GMs play chess. Myself included. I'm neither obese, nor a GM. I'm just wondering, if physical fitness is some sort of skill, why would a clumsy, obese person be able to so easily beat a very fit, agile, strong, healthy athlete?

Also wondering what sports don't have any physical skill. 

If Chess requires no physical skill, why are all Chess GM’s fit?

 

Many are, for the reasons you note. World Champion Magnus Carlsen is extremely fit and athletic.

Nonetheless, not all are fit. Ben Finegold is corpulent. Several others are obese (I suspect that even Anand is borderline obese these days, although he was more fit fifteen years ago).

You think chess is a sport. I disagree. BUT, you are willing to acknowledge things like this that discredit the idea that somehow physical fitness is required to be a good chess player. That kind of intellectual honesty is rare. 

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ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

I don't know of any GMs who are or were obese. But I do know that other people besides GMs play chess. Myself included. I'm neither obese, nor a GM. I'm just wondering, if physical fitness is some sort of skill, why would a clumsy, obese person be able to so easily beat a very fit, agile, strong, healthy athlete?

Also wondering what sports don't have any physical skill. 

If Chess requires no physical skill, why are all Chess GM’s fit?

Probably because it helps with what they do. Being fit is not a physical skill though. Some people are genetically physically fit. It helps with anything you do. Being fit helps you live longer, there is no down side. But being fit doesn't get the pieces on the board to move to best square. Even an extremely clumsy obese person has minimal difficulty moving the pieces to the best square. Besides, very few chess players are GMs. That really has nothing to do with anything. Enjoying a sport or game doesn't require a minimal level of proficiency. Someone who has only played tennis for a year is still playing tennis. You don't say "you've only been playing a year, you aren't a world class player, therefore you aren't playing tennis".

A physical skill is a body movement that is used to do something, or, to do something better than someone else. None of the physical movement, or skill, parts of chess are used to determine a winner. The skill used to move a piece, sit in a chair, breathe, scratch your head, sneeze, hit a clock, or write down moves doesnt determine the winner. You can eliminate ALL those things and people can still enjoy a game of chess. Sometimes two people can play an entire game of chess entirely in their heads. No board, no pieces, no moving, nothing. Just telling each other the moves. No physical skill. None. 

The problem you have, is that you know Chess requires physical skill. Your argument is that it’s not physical “enough.”  

Not sure what you mean by that. I know chess requires no physical skill, because it's a brain game. Physical skill is something sports require. Like eye hand co-ordination, speed, agility, strength, etc. Chess requires none of that. 

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lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

I don't know of any GMs who are or were obese. But I do know that other people besides GMs play chess. Myself included. I'm neither obese, nor a GM. I'm just wondering, if physical fitness is some sort of skill, why would a clumsy, obese person be able to so easily beat a very fit, agile, strong, healthy athlete?

Also wondering what sports don't have any physical skill. 

If Chess requires no physical skill, why are all Chess GM’s fit?

Probably because it helps with what they do. Being fit is not a physical skill though. Some people are genetically physically fit. It helps with anything you do. Being fit helps you live longer, there is no down side. But being fit doesn't get the pieces on the board to move to best square. Even an extremely clumsy obese person has minimal difficulty moving the pieces to the best square. Besides, very few chess players are GMs. That really has nothing to do with anything. Enjoying a sport or game doesn't require a minimal level of proficiency. Someone who has only played tennis for a year is still playing tennis. You don't say "you've only been playing a year, you aren't a world class player, therefore you aren't playing tennis".

A physical skill is a body movement that is used to do something, or, to do something better than someone else. None of the physical movement, or skill, parts of chess are used to determine a winner. The skill used to move a piece, sit in a chair, breathe, scratch your head, sneeze, hit a clock, or write down moves doesnt determine the winner. You can eliminate ALL those things and people can still enjoy a game of chess. Sometimes two people can play an entire game of chess entirely in their heads. No board, no pieces, no moving, nothing. Just telling each other the moves. No physical skill. None. 

The problem you have, is that you know Chess requires physical skill. Your argument is that it’s not physical “enough.”  

Not sure what you mean by that. I know chess requires no physical skill, because it's a brain game. Physical skill is something sports require. Like eye hand co-ordination, speed, agility, strength, etc. Chess requires none of that. 

Chess does not require eye-hand coordination?  

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ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

I don't know of any GMs who are or were obese. But I do know that other people besides GMs play chess. Myself included. I'm neither obese, nor a GM. I'm just wondering, if physical fitness is some sort of skill, why would a clumsy, obese person be able to so easily beat a very fit, agile, strong, healthy athlete?

Also wondering what sports don't have any physical skill. 

If Chess requires no physical skill, why are all Chess GM’s fit?

Probably because it helps with what they do. Being fit is not a physical skill though. Some people are genetically physically fit. It helps with anything you do. Being fit helps you live longer, there is no down side. But being fit doesn't get the pieces on the board to move to best square. Even an extremely clumsy obese person has minimal difficulty moving the pieces to the best square. Besides, very few chess players are GMs. That really has nothing to do with anything. Enjoying a sport or game doesn't require a minimal level of proficiency. Someone who has only played tennis for a year is still playing tennis. You don't say "you've only been playing a year, you aren't a world class player, therefore you aren't playing tennis".

A physical skill is a body movement that is used to do something, or, to do something better than someone else. None of the physical movement, or skill, parts of chess are used to determine a winner. The skill used to move a piece, sit in a chair, breathe, scratch your head, sneeze, hit a clock, or write down moves doesnt determine the winner. You can eliminate ALL those things and people can still enjoy a game of chess. Sometimes two people can play an entire game of chess entirely in their heads. No board, no pieces, no moving, nothing. Just telling each other the moves. No physical skill. None. 

The problem you have, is that you know Chess requires physical skill. Your argument is that it’s not physical “enough.”  

Not sure what you mean by that. I know chess requires no physical skill, because it's a brain game. Physical skill is something sports require. Like eye hand co-ordination, speed, agility, strength, etc. Chess requires none of that. 

Chess does not require eye-hand coordination?  

No. It does not. It requires basically zero eye hand co-ordination. Which is why some people are able to play with no eyes. Or hands. 

Chess is not a game of physical skill. It's not a sport, or activity that requires what sports require. It's the honing and practice of body movements that make sports what they are. Like golf, basketball, bowling, soccer, etc. Chess requires none of that.

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lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
ExploringWA wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

I don't know of any GMs who are or were obese. But I do know that other people besides GMs play chess. Myself included. I'm neither obese, nor a GM. I'm just wondering, if physical fitness is some sort of skill, why would a clumsy, obese person be able to so easily beat a very fit, agile, strong, healthy athlete?

Also wondering what sports don't have any physical skill. 

If Chess requires no physical skill, why are all Chess GM’s fit?

Probably because it helps with what they do. Being fit is not a physical skill though. Some people are genetically physically fit. It helps with anything you do. Being fit helps you live longer, there is no down side. But being fit doesn't get the pieces on the board to move to best square. Even an extremely clumsy obese person has minimal difficulty moving the pieces to the best square. Besides, very few chess players are GMs. That really has nothing to do with anything. Enjoying a sport or game doesn't require a minimal level of proficiency. Someone who has only played tennis for a year is still playing tennis. You don't say "you've only been playing a year, you aren't a world class player, therefore you aren't playing tennis".

A physical skill is a body movement that is used to do something, or, to do something better than someone else. None of the physical movement, or skill, parts of chess are used to determine a winner. The skill used to move a piece, sit in a chair, breathe, scratch your head, sneeze, hit a clock, or write down moves doesnt determine the winner. You can eliminate ALL those things and people can still enjoy a game of chess. Sometimes two people can play an entire game of chess entirely in their heads. No board, no pieces, no moving, nothing. Just telling each other the moves. No physical skill. None. 

The problem you have, is that you know Chess requires physical skill. Your argument is that it’s not physical “enough.”  

Not sure what you mean by that. I know chess requires no physical skill, because it's a brain game. Physical skill is something sports require. Like eye hand co-ordination, speed, agility, strength, etc. Chess requires none of that. 

Chess does not require eye-hand coordination?  

No. It does not. It requires basically zero eye hand co-ordination. Which is why some people are able to play with no eyes. Or hands. 

Chess is not a game of physical skill. It's not a sport, or activity that requires what sports require. It's the honing and practice of body movements that make sports what they are. Like golf, basketball, bowling, soccer, etc. Chess requires none of that.

Why is sportsmanship a positive attribute in Chess, but gamesmanship is frowned upon?  

A Chess Grandmaster moves his pieces differently than a person who has never played chess.

 

Why?

 

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Because he's better. Which has nothing to do with why chess isn't a sport. He moves his pieces because his brain is better, not because his hands are better. 

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Because he's better. Which has nothing to do with why chess isn't a sport. He moves his pieces because his brain is better, not because his hands are better. 

Hand movements that become very precise, improved dexterity, improved reaction times, and improved arm speed in tight time situations, these are not physical skills to you?