Is chess a sport? Ending the debate

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aj415
lfPatriotGames wrote:
learningthemoves wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

Where sport is defined it says 

Would you please cite your source for that definition. I only found the definition you used at Wikipedia which isn't a credible source.

http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k70847&pageid=icb.page346376

What I mean is when you ask people about it. Any source about definitions indicates chess is not a sport. You can ask your neighbor, your parents, your coworkers, the dictionary, wikipedia, most chessplayers, athletes, or just people in general. As I said, where I see sport defined there is a physical ability element to it, which chess doesn't have. I dont care who calls chess a sport or a game, it makes no difference to me. People can call daydreaming a sport if they want, but it wont change the definition that almost all of us use. Which is why I said it doesnt matter, some peoples belief will always trump the actual definition.

Thank you. This troll is getting out of hand.

and once again learning:

https://www.olympic.org/sports

^^ do you see chess listed? no because its not a sport

aj415
learningthemoves wrote:

Chess pieces must be physically moved to officially engage in the activity of Chess over the board.

Chess involves skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and chess  is often undertaken competitively.

The definition of sport is an activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.

Therefore, since physical exertion is required to engage in the activity of chess and Chess involves skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and chess  is often undertaken competitively, and since the definition of sport is an activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively,

Chess is a sport by definition.

Sound valid deductive argument.

No. Under this definition the annual tchiackovsy violin contest is a sport. Just because you physically move the bow and put your fingers on the string,and its competitive and theres a structure to playing and reading music.

Under this definition an essay contest in a highschool is a sport because you physically move a pen and theres a skillset of writing and its a competition

Under this definition me and my friends seeing who can chug the most PBR's in a drinking game is a sport. Since there is a skillset in how to chug alcohol. 

 

None of these are sports.

A sport isn't relegated to a game with a structure, requiring skillset that only requires ANY physical movement. No it must have a structure, require skillset and a physical movement that (now im repeating everything said earlier) It must require muscular activity that as i already stated 1) "requires advanced physical training" to EXCELL at it (though not to simply play it) 2) "requires elite training" to be the best 3) requires full muscular activity static or kinetic in the involvement of the sport.

Violin playing, essay contest writing, beer chugging, Chess, Starcraft 2, checkers, chinese checkers, poker, NONE OF THESE are sports for this failure of appropriate physical activation as spelled out 100 x 

jazzmohambone

Sports requires both the physical and mental strength. Football is largly 'tactics". You have pieces "men" with defined certian powers, like chess pieces. It's the same as saying that golfers are athletes. I personally don't think they are. Mental strength is actually more important then physical. You can be strong, but stupid. Hard to win any sport, game, without mental strength. Beer chugging IS something I'm very  good at btw...

learningthemoves

"do you see chess listed? no because its not a sport"

So if one does not see chess listed at Olympic.org it's not a sport?

So now being listed at Olympic.org is your requirement you make of chess to be the sport that it is?

Like I said, I'm tired of doing your thinking and research for you, but below you'll see Chess listed under the IOC sports federations officially recognized by IOC

aj415

I can't see the image clearly, all i know is that if you click under sports at olympic.org chess is not there. Whatever sublink you are at is not under sports so not proving anything. Your quarrellsome trolling is tiresome but you will quit before me bud.

Secondly i found your original post and responded above

DjonniDerevnja
learningthemoves wrote:

"do you see chess listed? no because its not a sport"

So if one does not see chess listed at Olympic.org it's not a sport?

So now being listed at Olympic.org is your requirement you make of chess to be the sport that it is?

Like I said, I'm tired of doing your thinking and research for you, but below you'll see Chess listed under the IOC sports federations officially recognized by IOC

 

Competing running in the woods with map and compass isnt olympic sport either. Those runners likes it that way, because beiing non-olympic does hold that sport free of doping.

learningthemoves

Well your personal question in post #287 is built on the false premise presupposing I hold even a single delusion which I do not and never have.

Of course you're not putting me down and you'd be delusional if you thought you could. I've never been institutionalized.

I very logically explained why chess is a sport and none have refuted it.  I also refuted each opposing argument and subsequent iteration of it. Smile

One would be delusional to think otherwise. I'll be watching football but the initial post remains if you're genuinely interested.

aj415

Learning i wonder what else you are delusional about in life?  You are interesting have you ever been institutionalized or seen a therapist? Honestly Not putting you down im genuinely curious

aj415

Where under "SPORTS" at olympics .org does it say chess? Nowhere. Your image isn't under sports. Troll ;)

aj415
learningthemoves wrote:

Chess pieces must be physically moved to officially engage in the activity of Chess over the board.

Chess involves skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and chess  is often undertaken competitively.

The definition of sport is an activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.

Therefore, since physical exertion is required to engage in the activity of chess and Chess involves skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and chess  is often undertaken competitively, and since the definition of sport is an activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively,

Chess is a sport by definition.

Sound valid deductive argument.

No. Under this definition the annual tchiackovsy violin contest is a sport. Just because you physically move the bow and put your fingers on the string,and its competitive and theres a structure to playing and reading music.

Under this definition an essay contest in a highschool is a sport because you physically move a pen and theres a skillset of writing and its a competition

Under this definition me and my friends seeing who can chug the most PBR's in a drinking game is a sport. Since there is a skillset in how to chug alcohol. 

 

None of these are sports.

A sport isn't relegated to a game with a structure, requiring skillset that only requires ANY physical movement. No it must have a structure, require skillset and a physical movement that (now im repeating everything said earlier) It must require muscular activity that as i already stated 1) "requires advanced physical training" to EXCELL at it (though not to simply play it) 2) "requires elite training" to be the best 3) requires full muscular activity static or kinetic in the involvement of the sport.

Violin playing, essay contest writing, beer chugging, Chess, Starcraft 2, checkers, chinese checkers, poker, NONE OF THESE are sports for this failure of appropriate physical activation as spelled out 100 x 

learningthemoves

I see you've gone back and edited/changed previous posts of yours and replaced it with other things, but the argument remains.

I also see our interaction has helped you strengthen your argument.

Well done. Smile

learningthemoves

You do realize you repeatedly and regularly engage your muscles in activity when moving the chess pieces and pawns during the course of the game.

It takes stamina and endurance to remain focused and sit for those long hours of tournament play.

Bobby Fischer's elite advanced physical training secret to be the best in the world was a method he called "peaking" to train his body with strenuous exercise so that he would reach his peak of fitness exactly at tournament time.(9th or 10th paragraph in article linked below.)

https://www.fide.com/component/content/article/4-tournaments/1539-30-a-month-in-manila-with-bobby-fischer.html

He used this advanced physical training to contend for the title of World Champion to not only excel but to also be the best in the world at the sport.

That article was published at FIDE which is an officially recognized sports federation.

From its website,

"Founded in Paris on 20 July 1924, the World Chess Federation (Federation Internationale des Echecs, known as FIDE from its French acronym) was recognized by the International Olympic Committee as an International Sports Federation in 1999.

Prior to the founding of FIDE, Chess had existed as a sport played at competitive level for centuries. In its over 2000 years history from its origins in India and outlying countries in Asia, the game had undergone a series of changes and metamorphosed into its present day form by the 15th century. In those days, there was no common code governing the Laws of Chess or uniform regulations for International Competitions. The only binding force was that it was a gentleman's sport in which the players were expected to act with decorum plus the enduring beauty of the game to its practitioners."

You can read more about how Chess is recognized as a sport by 107 countries and how more and more are beginning to recognize it is a sport.

https://www.fide.com/fide/fide-world-chess-federation.html

aj415

Even in the most intense and extendsive chess sessions. Even with Fischers Peaking, endurance and stamina of professional chess players go through notwithstanding. Even with the focus needed to sit there. It is still only a minimal activation of the bodys 640 muscles (for nondisabled persons), and lack of activity of muscle fibes 1 or 2. There is no full body muscular involvement. 

Even if you werent a chess player, sitting here typing in a laptop or walking to my car requires my muscles resisting gravity or requires my arm muscles moving slightly to hit the keys. This amount of muscular activity (which is miniscule)/ physical exertions is not enough to fall under the category of sport.

Yes chess players must focus, yes they must have energy and i have no doubt they must keep good health to perform well. But to get involved in chess, as far as the pure physical movements is less involvement then picking up rocks and skipping them at your local creek or river. That is why even with all the qualities and training necessary to play chess at a high level, the level of physical exertion does not meet a sport level.

UnbridledOne

Hey AJ, Just ignore him. He is having an orgasm getting under your skin with his nonsense. He knows it's not a sport. Just ignore what he posts and don't give him the satisfaction of a response. Send him to his room and let him cry all he wants. lol  see ya. It's my best advice.

learningthemoves

No nonsense. Just more authority evidence from credible sources supporting the fact that Chess is internationally recognized as a sport and has been for years.

Your rude remarks and personal attacks are neither true, relevant, helpful nor nice.

You must have been one who argued against Chess' sport status. lol.

As worse than valueless as your claimed "best advice" was, one cringes to think how it could possibly be any worse.

learningthemoves

Marathon running doesn't require constant use of fast twitch muscle fibers but just the same kind of slow twitch fibers used to move pieces, pawns, hit the clock, keep up with the score sheet and maintain stamina over the board in the gentlemen's sport, Chess although I have seen some explosive muscle fibers used during blitz and bullet play both when players make their moves as well as working the clock.

aj415

actually type 2 fibers are converted to type1 fibers in marathon runners,  But more importantly the cardiopulmonary system is trained and the superior mitochocondrial metabolisation of 02 (oxygen) as fuel in each muscular cells is a result of the muscles being subjected to constant stimulus from all the running 

nimzomalaysian

Yes, chess is a sport. Debate ends.

kazak68

Bobby Fischer called chess a "sport of the mind."

LillieMuggs
I thin that it doesn't matter.