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Is chess anti feminist?
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mpaetz escribió:
Jane254 wrote:
Here is smtg that really bothers me. Why is there a title called WGM, like a specific category for women. And not only that, the rating you need to be a WGM is 2300 but for just normal GM its 2500. This kinda annoys me a bit, like they made the WGM rating lower just because they think women cant reach that high and honestly I think this isn't fair. This is just my opinion tho. Thx!
As others have noted, when international chess competitions were first organized, society's opinion was that women were "the weaker sex" (we can see here that many still cling to this view) and not fit to mix with men in most competitive activities. Men's clubs, chess clubs, coffee houses and taverns, where much mid-19th century chess was played, were "off limits" to women. Even when chess competitions for women became available, females couldn't hone their skills vs the strongest male players, so when mixed tournaments originated there were very few women players.
So chess was seen as a mans activity, boys were taught the game and girls were not, and virtually all very strong players were men for many, many years. FIDE started regulating worldwide chess and introduced ratings and titles following WWII. To recognize top women players, women's titles were invented, but the fact that women couldn't get invited to strong tournaments and earn high ratings by playing the high-rated men meant that women's rating requirements were lower. As recently as 1978, long-time women's world champion Nona Gaprindashvili had to get a special ruling from FIDE to get the regular GM title--she had fulfilled the requirements for winning and rating but could only get invited to sufficiently-strong tournaments totaling 23 games (24 were needed). Even after earning the GM title she was invited to so few top tournaments that she had to continue to play mostly in women's events to make some money.
Mixed tournaments have become more common and most top women players of the 21st century play in mixed tournaments. Still, even a player as strong as Judit Polgar had trouble getting the Hungarian chess federation to certify her entry to the candidate's tournament because "women already have their own world championship".
FIDE periodically adjusts the requirements for GM and WGM titles and hopefully the two will eventually be the same. One great barrier holding women back is that in many nations (such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc) there are strict laws against the sexes mixing in activities like chess tournaments, so separate titles are still necessary.
This.
Feb 20, 2023
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#207
Dude don’t join it there’s no point to try to argue with them they don’t give a crap they’re delusional
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mpaetz escribió:
Jane254 wrote:
Here is smtg that really bothers me. Why is there a title called WGM, like a specific category for women. And not only that, the rating you need to be a WGM is 2300 but for just normal GM its 2500. This kinda annoys me a bit, like they made the WGM rating lower just because they think women cant reach that high and honestly I think this isn't fair. This is just my opinion tho. Thx!
As others have noted, when international chess competitions were first organized, society's opinion was that women were "the weaker sex" (we can see here that many still cling to this view) and not fit to mix with men in most competitive activities. Men's clubs, chess clubs, coffee houses and taverns, where much mid-19th century chess was played, were "off limits" to women. Even when chess competitions for women became available, females couldn't hone their skills vs the strongest male players, so when mixed tournaments originated there were very few women players.
So chess was seen as a mans activity, boys were taught the game and girls were not, and virtually all very strong players were men for many, many years. FIDE started regulating worldwide chess and introduced ratings and titles following WWII. To recognize top women players, women's titles were invented, but the fact that women couldn't get invited to strong tournaments and earn high ratings by playing the high-rated men meant that women's rating requirements were lower. As recently as 1978, long-time women's world champion Nona Gaprindashvili had to get a special ruling from FIDE to get the regular GM title--she had fulfilled the requirements for winning and rating but could only get invited to sufficiently-strong tournaments totaling 23 games (24 were needed). Even after earning the GM title she was invited to so few top tournaments that she had to continue to play mostly in women's events to make some money.
Mixed tournaments have become more common and most top women players of the 21st century play in mixed tournaments. Still, even a player as strong as Judit Polgar had trouble getting the Hungarian chess federation to certify her entry to the candidate's tournament because "women already have their own world championship".
FIDE periodically adjusts the requirements for GM and WGM titles and hopefully the two will eventually be the same. One great barrier holding women back is that in many nations (such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc) there are strict laws against the sexes mixing in activities like chess tournaments, so separate titles are still necessary.
This.
No excuse for the world today.
Things are different today, have been for 50 years now and women still need special treatment.
btickler wrote:
silvergoldbully wrote:
Sure, telling people what they should be doing, encouraging them to not participate in a public forum, all the while making bad arguments and being toxic, these are the hallmarks of the low IQ intellectually lazy and incompetent leftists.
Actually, it's an established fact that in the U.S. people voting for parties on the left have higher average education levels than those voting for right leaning parties. That matters little, though, because I am registered independent, and am not a leftist. You guys really can't hang in discussions without your straw-men, at all.
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"education" in the last 2 decades is more like "indoctrination" for many modern disciplines, especially the faculties of education, and the humanities, your claim, that i have seen before, i think the lion's share of propaganda of that ilk was based on the pew research data, which if you look at, its not being portrayed honestly. It's facile to make the argument that this is precisely It, indoctrination, by leftist academics. who outnumber conservatives in academia by a wide margin, and why is that? Because of the toxic atmosphere leftists create everywhere for people with contrarian views. But my point was about Intelligence and critical thinking ability, "Education" does not guarantee a person possesses those qualities, and the converse is also true.
TLPAWN escribió:
God how many posts and this thread was JUST CREATED
The topic is a safe bet. Btw, the op not showing up again usually part of the pattern.
can yall just be quiete
Feb 20, 2023
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Deadmanparty wrote:
No excuse for the world today.
Things are different today, have been for 50 years now and women still need special treatment.
You seem to mistake conditions in many westernized democracies for "the world". Visit Afghanistan, or Japan, or Nigeria, or most of the world and see how far women's rights. Or just go to the park and check out toe ratio of men and women who are caring for children, still seen as a woman's responsibility.
So you are saying women in the Western world have no excuse for not being as good as their male counterparts.
I agree
Very few people have kids these days. No excuses there either.
Feb 20, 2023
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#216
Deadmanparty wrote:
No excuse for the world today.
Things are different today, have been for 50 years now and women still need special treatment.
All is right with the world. Sexism is dead. 😏
Oh, are you of the foolish belief that men and women are really exactly the same?
We know sexism exists, just look at the special sex designation in chess to give titles to inferior players.
Segregation is illegal, am I wrong?
Not in many countries. In fact, in many Muslim nations segregation of the sexes in most activities is REQUIRED by law.