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Is Chess.com slightly rigged?
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NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
You win a bunch of games in a row, you face better players, then you lose a bunch of games in a row, then you face worse players. If you go on a winning streak, which by chance is bound to happen, you are overperforming your rating, so a crash is likely based upon your true underlying strength.
Seems pretty simple to me.
Seems pretty simple to me.
Yes.
Roryslosh168 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Roryslosh168 wrote:
There is money in it, make you hit a wall to purchase access to the lessons. I suspect it is rigged, too many players I play with garbage ratings play like a GM and I've also noticed similar patterns in attacking my openings>>>
By garbage ratings, what do you mean? Less than yours or what? Would you know how a GM plays? I'm not trying to be obnoxious, just wondering.
You are obnoxious so not sure what to tell you there.
I know my offline rating and it is vastly different from the chess.com rating. By garbage I mean players up until i played on chess.com player I normally easily beat. I've also noticed no difference in play between the 300 ratings variance of the opponents I play.
I just love how butt hurt and defensive people get any time people merely express an opinion...
Do you? That must be nice for you. I thought I probably shouldn't comment really.
I agree with you about the complete unpredictability of opponents based on grades. (Ratings) If I lost 100 points, I can guarantee that the games I'll get around 1600 will be a lot harder than those I'm getting around 1700. When I was about 1900 in blitz I thought that players only really started getting good at 1950. Maybe it's all these people choosing their own grades and so they choose 1800?
Dec 12, 2020
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The same happens to me, win and loose in steaks, but I think this is normal because I'm old and have good and bad days.....I link it more with my own performance rather than my opponents.
Quiksilverau wrote:
yes it is rigged, glad others have picked up on it. was normal until about 4 years ago. Now they have an internal rating system which promotes "streaky" play. You will win 5-10 against higher rated opponents, then lose 5-10 against lower rated opponents, and there is nothing you can do about it. the patzer who is 400 points below you but plays highly accurate moves and spends half the time <-- and you will play against 5-10 of them in a row. if you play only a few openings, it's really easy to predict this trend. if you play an opening which has a normal response and an 'anti/counter' response, most of the time your opponent will play the normal response, however during these streaks, almost every opponent will play the 'anti/counter' move. highly predictable.
probably these streaks are to help improve your weaknesses, but the predictability is a bit tiresome.
It's quite annoying that they also continually have you play low rated opponents.
Recently, I've been having to filter my games so that I face players that are closer to my rating. But filtering my games causes the time between finding opponents to increase. I had to wait a couple of minutes one time before I could play a game.
Dec 13, 2020
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#28
I dont think it's rigged. But ratings on the lower end of the scale are meaningless on this site. I've beaten players at over 1400 easily, then I've had to play a 800 and he plays like a GM, and forces me to resign in 20 moves. Same story with people in the 1100s and so on. Many are real 1100s but others play stronger than 1600 players.
Go watch a 10' rapid Arena and pay close attention to the ratings of the top 10 / 15 players at the tournament closure. And their win / loss rate. For example, take these from a few days ago:
So I generally assume ratings under 1600 or so on this site are completely meaningless, and the playing strength of these players proves it 
Dec 14, 2020
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ChessSensasian wrote:
Quiksilverau wrote:
yes it is rigged, glad others have picked up on it. was normal until about 4 years ago. Now they have an internal rating system which promotes "streaky" play. You will win 5-10 against higher rated opponents, then lose 5-10 against lower rated opponents, and there is nothing you can do about it. the patzer who is 400 points below you but plays highly accurate moves and spends half the time <-- and you will play against 5-10 of them in a row. if you play only a few openings, it's really easy to predict this trend. if you play an opening which has a normal response and an 'anti/counter' response, most of the time your opponent will play the normal response, however during these streaks, almost every opponent will play the 'anti/counter' move. highly predictable.
probably these streaks are to help improve your weaknesses, but the predictability is a bit tiresome.
It's quite annoying that they also continually have you play low rated opponents.
Recently, I've been having to filter my games so that I face players that are closer to my rating. But filtering my games causes the time between finding opponents to increase. I had to wait a couple of minutes one time before I could play a game.
I filter my games to only opponents within 100 points of me and play 10 minute games mostly, which is the most popular time, and I never have to wait more than 5 seconds.....may be different for other game lengths?
Dec 14, 2020
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xor_eax wrote:
I dont think it's rigged. But ratings on the lower end of the scale are meaningless on this site. I've beaten players at over 1400 easily, then I've had to play a 800 and he plays like a GM, and forces me to resign in 20 moves. Same story with people in the 1100s and so on. Many are real 1100s but others play stronger than 1600 players.
Go watch a 10' rapid Arena and pay close attention to the ratings of the top 10 / 15 players at the tournament closure. And their win / loss rate. For example, take these from a few days ago:
So I generally assume ratings under 1600 or so on this site are completely meaningless, and the playing strength of these players proves it
wow, that arena post you put up is unreal, in real life at the chess club, a 800 rated player will literally NEVER beat a 2100 rated player!
I don't get it.
I come from the poker community....in online poker there is always the claim that the software is rigged by dealing you only trash cards.
But how should chess.com be rigged?!?! If you lose, you probably played bad. I don't see how a chess website could be rigged. By moving your rook to D1 instead of E1?! lol
I don't get it. CHESS.COM IS R I G G E D. I have a rating of 356. And I defeated my friend of 17009.
Impossible! and I lost couple o' games, I was in 678. I LOST 82 JUST BECAUSE THAT PERSON WAS IN 220.
It’s happening to me too!!
jrizzz97 wrote:
Acheron wrote:
If they were using an engine, they wouldn't be playing. Just because you lost, doesn't mean they cheated.
You do realize someone can access stockfish online while playing you on another device right? I have played in the past 15 and 30 min rapid chess and they literally take almost 2 min per move and it was 100 percent accurate. we were about 35 moves in and there was no error, just all excellent moves and their rating was lower than me.
Words are one thing, you got any proof?
And as far as I see the argument about chess.com being rigged is: I lost on this day but won on this day, must be hacks or rigging
Dec 14, 2020
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NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
You win a bunch of games in a row, you face better players, then you lose a bunch of games in a row, then you face worse players. If you go on a winning streak, which by chance is bound to happen, you are overperforming your rating, so a crash is likely based upon your true underlying strength.
Seems pretty simple to me.
Seems pretty simple to me.
My experience is much different.
I am psyched and in a good mood and properly caffeinated, and I am unbeatable against people my strength. I am tired and not thinking quite clearly and a bit off and I get creamed even by people with lower ratings.
My ... mood? more like energy ... swings have a lot more to do with my streaks than anything. And in an hour it is easy for me to gain or lose quite a few points and have quite a long streak.
jrizzz97 wrote:
Is Chess.com slightly rigged?
no u
Dec 15, 2020
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Omega60 wrote:
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
You win a bunch of games in a row, you face better players, then you lose a bunch of games in a row, then you face worse players. If you go on a winning streak, which by chance is bound to happen, you are overperforming your rating, so a crash is likely based upon your true underlying strength.
Seems pretty simple to me.
Seems pretty simple to me.
My experience is much different.
I am psyched and in a good mood and properly caffeinated, and I am unbeatable against people my strength. I am tired and not thinking quite clearly and a bit off and I get creamed even by people with lower ratings.
My ... mood? more like energy ... swings have a lot more to do with my streaks than anything. And in an hour it is easy for me to gain or lose quite a few points and have quite a long streak.
+1 Yep, biorhythms.
Dunno but there's a really strange pattern on the graphs of evolution is always high, low, high, low. I break my record in one day the next day i lost 300 points , next day gain 150, the other lost 170 and so on it's never a plato it's always a saw like graph. I'd think if i'm keeping my ability (i'm not unlearning how to play after all) my evolution graph would be more stable but the pattern of variation is really strange.
I'd be surprise if there's some kind of algorithm that makes you lose much more points when you're over performing and win less when under performing.
Personally i think the rating system should not exist.
Earlier today I beat the Beth Harmon 1200 bot 3 games in a row...then won15 of 20 blitz games against 400-600 rated players on another free account. I come back hours later (after 10pm) and on this paid account just lost 14 blitz games in a row to 300-450 rated players and not a single blunder. Then a couple of days ago this guy [Removed by moderator: Olympiad] showed up in random as a 1250 which is weird, so I went to look at his previous games and his last 20 were all against sub 500 players and most sub 350!...all wins of course. I'm pretty sure there are people who have figured out how to hack their rating so they can play people who aren't even close in skill level to pad their points. I mean its a game and I don't really care, but playing against people 500-1000 pts better than you game after game after game...its just not any fun. And how pathetic...these are the same types of people who cheat in solitaire. Is it like this on other sites ?
So your computer lost or do you call everyone a cheater