Is Chess Finally Dead?

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Chess is a game that is fun and it is a game with vast information and knowledge to learn from. 

Saying that chess is becoming dead, would be ridicoulous at least for the time being. However the OP does say somthing that catches my attention and now thinking about it, the Era of Engines is here, and due to this it makes chess much less fun. It makes chess more about preparation instead of intuition. It makes chess seem like whoever has the most opening knowledge quite practically win, it makes chess seem like something more mechanical and less human in nature. 

I know this may sound odd, but it seems like engines are taking over the game, as think about it. Most Super GM's even all of them have significant preperation, but think about what happened before engines, such lines were not prepared and such moves were not even thought of, chess was just a gave or pure intuition and superior play that lead one person to win due to another person's mistakes. It was game that allowed people on top level play to duke it out from their understanding and pure playstlyes, no engine was here before the early 2000's so it makes it the more interesting how games developed at that time. However now 70% of all games in top tier play is draws and engines are definitley a contributing factor to this.

Now are engines bad because of this? No, of course not, they help people with their games, they are nice to watch play other engines and they bring a new course of action. However I will say we are coming to the point in which chess has less fun naturally and is becoming more of a mechanical game on the top tier level of super GM's and normal GM's and it is making imbalances(no pun intended) due to this.

It is a problem in mine eyesight and I wish engines were not such a priority in the lives of people and more of natural play, however it is what it is, and from what it is, there is no stopping engines being in the lives of chess players, and that's fine. But still the shift says that people don't like engines in top play and is ruining the game, the shift says that there are 70% of draws, the shift say that there will be more and more preperation needed in the game of chess rather than natural play based on style and intuition. 

This is what is happening in the world of chess due to it and it is a relationship that is making more people come but also making others leave the game because it is not quite the same, and can we blame them?

The only thing we can do is play the game and for the top contendors that play, they will play with the engines, but as for popularity currently it is well established, however in the future I would not be suprised if there is a major decline towards chess because of what is soon to come of heavy engine use and the lack of natural play in the game.

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I agree. Chess, is officially dead. However sports like baseball are not dead because you can't really use an engine in it

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jacklee2010 wrote:

I agree. Chess, is officially dead. However sports like baseball are not dead because you can't really use an engine in it

Chess will probably never die, but Teacher summed it up pretty well. Chess is certainly not as intriguing as it once was now that machines are much better. It's no longer the mysterious game that super smart people play. I agree with corum that more people probably play now. But that's mainly because the population is so much greater now. That, plus chess is curriculum in some schools now. 

I agree with you a sport, like baseball, is unaffected by machines (even though a machine can throw a fast ball much faster than any pitcher). i guess it's just human nature. A machine doesnt intimidate a physical endeavor like it does a mental one.

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Look. Chess as a way for me to earn a living probably died a thousand years ago when my forebears decided to take a Tea break at the wrong time at the battle of Hastings. Obviously computers are growing in abilities faster than humans are. Obviously they will overtake humans in everything. But Chess is not dead. The future is very dead but we will all be gone of old age and I have no children so I have no investment in the future. Chess will live as long as we do (I am approaching 50, anybody under 30 got a short straw),  For the time being, Unless a computer can be economically viable for making Chess bucks like fellas like Magnus etc. Chess is safe and sound. Deep Blue was supposed to be the end. Kasparov has gone from Brown Bear hair to Arctic Tundra short back and shine since then.

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Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
jacklee2010 wrote:

I agree. Chess, is officially dead. However sports like baseball are not dead because you can't really use an engine in it

Incorrect

why

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list one

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No way
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it is! Soon chess will be a game for compuers only

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that's the bad side of tech

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Steven-ODonoghue wrote:

Ok. Chess isn't "officially dead" that's stupid.

I agree.

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englishdraughts wrote:

When it's discovered that Chess is always a win for White, a win for Black, or a Draw with the best of play, then Chess will be as dead as English Draughts.

It isn't under FIDE basic rules these days. The game 

2n+1. Na3 Na6

2n.     Nb1 Nb8

for each n is complete but none of those.

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:That wont happen in the foreseeable future

 

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how is checkers dead

 

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I am a 1900 and have memorized my most memorized opening just 16 moves. I have decided NOT to memorize too many openings,  instead focusing on manipulating ideas. Using MY approach will keep chess alive and growing!

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memorize 8-10 moves for regular opening(other than extra-theoretical openings), for these openings, memorize about 12-16 moves

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and focus mainly on the ideas

 

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chess_ka_khiladi wrote:

 

The current chess programs like Houdini and Rybka will trash any Chess Gradmaster (GM) including the current "World Champion" Magnus Carlsen in chess match. The Elo ratings of those programs are like at least 500 more than that of highest rated human, and modern day chess players (especially at highest level tournament play) seem to lack originality and just seem to consult chess engines for new ideas to beat their fellow human competitors. Whatever "new" idea or variation they (at GM level play) implement is analyzed on the engine first and hence the computer should get the real credit for their wins. They execute their plans by memorizing those lines, and the one with the best memory wins, unlike olden times when players tried new things over the board and used their skills and originality to win the game. 

Such being the case, is chess finally dead? Even Bobby Fischer seemed to have had the same opinion: "...Now chess is completely dead. It is all just memorisation and prearrangement. It’s a terrible game now. Very uncreative."
I think I am quitting tournament chess from today. I might still play it as a hobby from time to time, but I'm not going to participate or follow any tournaments as there seems to be little point in doing so. What are your thoughts?
 
  • There is still a point when you play a game of chess, for one you do not have to use an a i computer, when you play chess.

You still can play against other people in person, you can also ReDiscover and develop your own defenses, and most of all have fun with the game.

The point is in exercise your brain, so you can think faster, and keep your brain to function better.

There's many other points like that, for example chess is a very good conversation piece, you can eat dinner, and play chess, while having a conversation with your opponent.

The main point, when you play chess is to have F U N FUN, that's right!

I hope this is of some help to you, and maybe others.

Thank you for reading This, Have Fun with chessexplorer.png

 

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No it's not dead & I don't think such a good game will ever die. It's impossible for this game to die if you ask me

 

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Terminator-T800 wrote:

No it's not dead & I don't think such a good game will ever die. It's impossible for this game to die if you ask me

That is so true.

 

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Chess will never die.