I don't think so. If the piece has no legal moves you can move whatever you like I believe.
Is forced King move still in effect?
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Jan 19, 2013
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If you touch a piece that has no legal move, there is no penalty.
"4.5 - If none of the pieces touched can be moved or captured, the player may make any legal move."
However, any deliberate attempt to annoy the opponent by exploiting this loop-hole can be penalized by the Arbiter, with penalties typically beginning with a warning and (in cases of repeated infractions) progressing through the addition of extra time to the opponent's clock and possibly extending to the forfeiture of the game.
You have to touch the piece with the intent to move it, just accidentally touching a piece whle reaching for another does not mean you have to move that piece.
Jan 19, 2013
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Markle wrote:
You have to touch the piece with the intent to move it, just accidentally touching a piece whle reaching for another does not mean you have to move that piece.
Wrong.
blueemu wrote:
Markle wrote:
You have to touch the piece with the intent to move it, just accidentally touching a piece whle reaching for another does not mean you have to move that piece.
Wrong.
Wrong how?
The rule says " if the player having the move deliberately touches on the chessboard"
FIDE at least.
Casual_Joe wrote:
I think the rule in OTB play used to be that if you accidentally touched a piece, then you have to move that piece. Also, if you make an illegal move, the opponent can chose to either let that move stand, or demand that you move your King instead of making the illegal move. As a consequence, if you're reaching to move a piece and you accidentally touch a piece that has no legal moves, then you're obligated to move your King instead. Is that rule still in effect?
I have no exact knowledge of the rules, but in my experience if you accidently (my that I mean graze or knock over rather than grab) touch a piece you are by no means obligated to move it.
blueemu wrote:
Markle wrote:
You have to touch the piece with the intent to move it, just accidentally touching a piece whle reaching for another does not mean you have to move that piece.
Wrong.
exactly how is this wrong?
blueemu wrote:
Markle wrote:
You have to touch the piece with the intent to move it, just accidentally touching a piece whle reaching for another does not mean you have to move that piece.
Wrong.
Pretty sure Markle's right...
Jan 19, 2013
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Scottrf wrote:
blueemu wrote:
Markle wrote:
You have to touch the piece with the intent to move it, just accidentally touching a piece whle reaching for another does not mean you have to move that piece.
Wrong.
Wrong how?
The rule says " if the player having the move deliberately touches on the chessboard"
FIDE at least.
Well... I stand corrected.
Back when I played in rated OTB tournaments (25 years ago) there was no mention of the word "deliberately" in that line.
Example: In the Saint John Championship, the next-to-last round was played on a rainy day. One of the spectators was wearing a heavy overcoat, and after looking at the position on one of the top boards, he turned around and the edge of his coat accidentally knocked White's King off the board, down onto the floor. The White player (who was on the move) reached under the table to retrieve it, and when he came back up with the King in his hand, his opponent said "touch-move".
The Arbiter upheld his claim, and White was forced to move his King.
Do you know the trick that Harrwitz played?
http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/winter22.html#4386._Skulduggery
Intentional touching of the piece has always been part of the rules, at least back to the 15th century. Even back then folks would accidentally brush a piece with their arm while grabbing another with their hand.
Maybe i'm wrong but otb chess had an accepted code word that allowed for adjustment of a piece--had too keep those horsies heading in the right direction. The Staint John champ. situation seems wrong,the rule applies to a "piece touched on the chessboard".
Jan 19, 2013
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#14
blueemu wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
blueemu wrote:
Markle wrote:
You have to touch the piece with the intent to move it, just accidentally touching a piece whle reaching for another does not mean you have to move that piece.
Wrong.
Wrong how?
The rule says " if the player having the move deliberately touches on the chessboard"
FIDE at least.
Well... I stand corrected.
Back when I played in rated OTB tournaments (25 years ago) there was no mention of the word "deliberately" in that line.
Example: In the Saint John Championship, the next-to-last round was played on a rainy day. One of the spectators was wearing a heavy overcoat, and after looking at the position on one of the top boards, he turned around and the edge of his coat accidentally knocked White's King off the board, down onto the floor. The White player (who was on the move) reached under the table to retrieve it, and when he came back up with the King in his hand, his opponent said "touch-move".
The Arbiter upheld his claim, and White was forced to move his King.
One of the worst examples of bad sportsmanship I ever heard of.
I think the rule in OTB play used to be that if you accidentally touched a piece, then you have to move that piece. Also, if you make an illegal move, the opponent can chose to either let that move stand, or demand that you move your King instead of making the illegal move. As a consequence, if you're reaching to move a piece and you accidentally touch a piece that has no legal moves, then you're obligated to move your King instead. Is that rule still in effect?