Is it cheating to ask for general advice while in a game?

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liveink
I ask bc I'm playing an endgame and I want to know what's the general principle.
kco

Yes is it.

liveink

Thanks bud . Can you tell me why? If I go study a section of a book on rook endings is it?

solskytz

Yes it is. You are allowed to use opening databases but no works on the endgame. 

If you study a book on rook endings, then why not a tablebase? The books are like tablebases, in all practical senses, in various types of positions. 

It's supposed to be YOU playing that endgame. 

kco

You can study it on book but can't discuss it here on your ongoing game. 

https://support.chess.com/customer/portal/articles/1444772

kco

Tablebase is not allowed, it give you answer, book is allowed because is doesn't give you answers.

RonaldJosephCote

    "Can you tell me why"?    Because the game's in-progress. Its not like an open book test.  You can study all you want when the game's over. 

eaguiraud

Well, that's one of the reasons I only play live games.

solskytz

No. Endgame books are not allowed. Only opening databases, books and materials. 

An Endgame book will give you the answer to many types of endgame positions. 

kco

Then close my account, report me. 

liveink

See that helps to ask.

macer75
eveningstarandlion wrote:

"Can I just pop up my computer and use the ChessBase for this next move?" If your opponent asked that, think about how you would feel.

Well... it's not the same question that the OP asked. Because some outside materials are allowed in correspondence chess, there can be some confusion as to what is ok and what's not. Using chessbase is clearly a violation, but for some other things it's not so clear. So it's always good to ask.

DrSpudnik
eaguiraud wrote:

Well, that's one of the reasons I only play live games.

Live chess is probably way more rotten with cheaters than ths slow stuff.

solskytz

Fine, <Kco>, I will. 

solskytz

<DrSpudnik> actually I'm not convinced. I played seventeen online chess game to date - and four were proven and banned cheaters. 

The rates in live chess (at least in 3 0 blitz) are much, much lower - maybe one in a hundred, maybe not even that. 

solskytz

<Macer75> if memory serves, the site policy is to permit materials related to the opening, not to the ending. Of course it's good to ask. 

macer75

In any case, I think out discussion in this thread (and its very existence) suggests that the site policy regarding correspondence games should be displayed more conspicuously.

Drawgood

I think there is a situation in which it isn't cheating. Showing the position to someone and asking for advice is cheating. But looking at it yourself then asking someone a general question related to a particular situation WITHOUT showing or describing the specific board position sounds like it should be acceptable. 

Diakonia
Drawgood wrote:

I think there is a situation in which it isn't cheating. Showing the position to someone and asking for advice is cheating. But looking at it yourself then asking someone a general question related to a particular situation WITHOUT showing or describing the specific board position sounds like it should be acceptable. 

You cannot discuss an ongoing game.

liveink

macer75 wrote:

In any case, I think out discussion in this thread (and its very existence) suggests that the site policy regarding correspondence games should be displayed more conspicuously.

True. I don't know the rules and I use the app so I'm very limited. I've heard of folks being banned but I don't know how in detail, it's always said " cheating " or " using engines "

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