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Master_Valek wrote:
Irontiger wrote:
On the contrary, let's focus on this. How come that the FBI never admitted formally the existence of aliens, never made any trumpeting statement while they funded research about this ?
1- They are a conspiracy, and hid the truth to allow the freemasons / the Jew / the red-haired to take the power thanks to alien technology.
2- They realized it was all nonsense, and were ashamed to have wasted the taxpayer's money.
You want to know my guess ? I think Napoleon had it right.
One reason, perhaps a third here, is that the nation who fully understands the technology would have ultimate military power over the Earth. (...)
That's reason 1-.
May 26, 2013
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oh really, if aliens discovered us first where are they now?
everyone knows the 2012 movie, then that date came by and what happened?
but im not saying that aliens aren't possible. if they really did discover us and are now just studying us or still going home back to base/planet, consider our situation right now. Governments saying we're united but it's not that much. If they're creating war-machines against aliens what's the possibility of us surviving if they want us slaves or use us, if we dont trust each other so much. We should be called earthlings instead of nationalities.
ivandh wrote:
Irontiger a écrit :
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Don't waste your breath pal, better to relax and have a drink.
That and no one wants to smell it.
All class, this one.
kcvd96 wrote:
oh really, if aliens discovered us first where are they now?
everyone knows the 2012 movie, then that date came by and what happened?
but im not saying that aliens aren't possible. if they really did discover us and are now just studying us or still going home back to base/planet, consider our situation right now. Governments saying we're united but it's not that much. If they're creating war-machines against aliens what's the possibility of us surviving if they want us slaves or use us, if we dont trust each other so much. We should be called earthlings instead of nationalities.
You want proof? I'll give you proof!
Master_Valek wrote:
Irontiger wrote:
Master_Valek wrote:
Irontiger wrote:
On the contrary, let's focus on this. How come that the FBI never admitted formally the existence of aliens, never made any trumpeting statement while they funded research about this ?
1- They are a conspiracy, and hid the truth to allow the freemasons / the Jew / the red-haired to take the power thanks to alien technology.
2- They realized it was all nonsense, and were ashamed to have wasted the taxpayer's money.
You want to know my guess ? I think Napoleon had it right.
One reason, perhaps a third here, is that the nation who fully understands the technology would have ultimate military power over the Earth. (...)
That's reason 1-.
sorry, I got to freemasons and jews and stopped reading.
Same with me and your long post. After the 3rd or 4th non sequitur I stopped reading. I know the socially acceptable sheeple version is the way out for the intellectually dishonest, brainwashed, coward... but at least these comparatively mundane explanations pass the smell test.
May 26, 2013
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even if you showed your 'proof' it's only written here and not a lot of people will believe you.
besides, why are only americans having these conspiracy theories against government? everything happens in america except other countries now? lol, good job hollywood, you've brainwashed people.
Master_Valek wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:
When I was a kid my parents had some friends over and were playing a parlor game, they let me join in. Essentially the game was to take a dictionary word no one knew the definition of and each player fabricates as plausible a definition as they can. The real and fabricated definitions are then read aloud and you get a point for every person you fooled with yours.
Anyway... the point is as a kid trying to come up with a believable definition for an unknown word my definition started out... "A top secret..." and immediately people were chuckling. As a kid I didn't make the connection. Not saying this is exactly what's happening in these alien proof things, but I always think back to that time and chuckle to myself. Of course I should have done what these UFO guys do... "A now declassified top secret" or "A once available, but now top secret..."
The interesting thing about the secret memo's, is that they are proof, not evidence, but proof that gov. agencies have taken a very serious stance on the subject, even if never publically admitting it.
Even now, with the documents released, they will not make public statements on the subject, unless statements to simply downplay their involvements or on the rare occasion, make a point that they hold no interest in the subject. Blatent denial in face of the obvious facts contradicting such statements.
UFO's, I would guess, would definitely be considered a matter of national security for any nation... because they're unidentified objects that are flying in their air space.
The jump from "these unidentified objects are of great interest to the government" (well I certainly hope so) to "it's therefore aliens from outer space" is absurd.
Again, not the sightings, the extra-terrestrial explanation. You seem unable or unwilling to separate the two.
Master_Valek wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:
Master_Valek wrote:
Irontiger wrote:
Master_Valek wrote:
Irontiger wrote:
On the contrary, let's focus on this. How come that the FBI never admitted formally the existence of aliens, never made any trumpeting statement while they funded research about this ?
1- They are a conspiracy, and hid the truth to allow the freemasons / the Jew / the red-haired to take the power thanks to alien technology.
2- They realized it was all nonsense, and were ashamed to have wasted the taxpayer's money.
You want to know my guess ? I think Napoleon had it right.
One reason, perhaps a third here, is that the nation who fully understands the technology would have ultimate military power over the Earth. (...)
That's reason 1-.
sorry, I got to freemasons and jews and stopped reading.
Same with me and your long post. After the 3rd or 4th non sequitur I stopped reading. I know the socially acceptable sheeple version is the way out for the intellectually dishonest, brainwashed, coward... but at least these comparatively mundane explanations pass the smell test.
You are but one man who question, rightfully the existence of the objects, but you are quick to ignore all the relevant gov documents and involvement which are clearly at the face of it all, real and admitting the existence of the objects. The integrity of memo's like this, documents explaining to downplay the existence of them, or simply informing agencies to ignore them, cannot be ignored.
If they are ignored, you are basically doing what the gov. wants. Pure denial of their existences.
Of course I believe in U.F.O.s... but only as far as the acronym defines them.
And they've been interesting to humanity for more than 100 years. You could probably trace interest back as far as when civilization started recording things.
May 26, 2013
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Master_Valek wrote:
A unfactual part of the UFO argument is that people say saucers where not of any interest until the movie industry. This is also false, reports of UFO's had been made even before the wright brothers made it into the air. A good example is the Aurora texas, known as the Aurara Texas Incident, many people of the town witnessed a UFO crash in their town, they deposited the remains of the craft into a well and buried the remains of the occupant in an unmarked grave. The unmarked grave was found recently and permission to dig it up was denied. Later readings showed the body had been removed. The hoax claim that there wasn't a well on the farm was also debunked, a well had been found with a very high concentration of aluminium, but no parts of the ship had been found. We know the craft was made of alumium, or some part aluminium and iron because not only was the site found scattered in this stuff, but early reports said that the craft was made of it... interestingly, aluminium and iron cannot be melded unless under laboratory conditions.
http://www.chron.com/life/article/Can-a-space-alien-rest-in-peace-1844815.php
An excellent practical joke to have lasted this long.
Just be sure not to be careless when "eliminating the impossible".
Master_Valek wrote:
So what do we have? Basically over a 100-years of people deluded all imagining the existences of UFO's, either in the singular sense of in the mass-sighting sense. I don't want to begin how implausible such an argument is.
Well, as much as I like to keep an open mind about the possibility of sentient extraterrestrial life visiting us, claiming that the masses can't corroborate imaginary things is not compelling testimony in and of itself. Case in point: Look at how many people think that Glenn Beck has a clue or that Rush Limbaugh has something worthwhile to say. And if you think they do, I have some really good deals on highly marked-up gold from Goldline to sell you.
Actually, mass hysteria is a very real thing. Probably most famously the Salem witch trials, less so the 1518 Dancing Plague:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_Plague_of_1518
I like how the failure to find evidence gets twisted into evidence of conspiracy to be used to bolster the case for the incredible claim.
Well, let's start with the assessment of intelligent control.... On what basis?
May 26, 2013
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#640
Master_Valek wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:
Master_Valek wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:
When I was a kid my parents had some friends over and were playing a parlor game, they let me join in. Essentially the game was to take a dictionary word no one knew the definition of and each player fabricates as plausible a definition as they can. The real and fabricated definitions are then read aloud and you get a point for every person you fooled with yours.
Anyway... the point is as a kid trying to come up with a believable definition for an unknown word my definition started out... "A top secret..." and immediately people were chuckling. As a kid I didn't make the connection. Not saying this is exactly what's happening in these alien proof things, but I always think back to that time and chuckle to myself. Of course I should have done what these UFO guys do... "A now declassified top secret" or "A once available, but now top secret..."
The interesting thing about the secret memo's, is that they are proof, not evidence, but proof that gov. agencies have taken a very serious stance on the subject, even if never publically admitting it.
Even now, with the documents released, they will not make public statements on the subject, unless statements to simply downplay their involvements or on the rare occasion, make a point that they hold no interest in the subject. Blatent denial in face of the obvious facts contradicting such statements.
UFO's, I would guess, would definitely be considered a matter of national security for any nation... because they're unidentified objects that are flying in their air space.
The jump from "these unidentified objects are of great interest to the government" (well I certainly hope so) to "it's therefore aliens from outer space" is absurd.
Not absurd at all.. it's logical. How can any nation have the technology to escape the airforce in 1952 say, when several UFO's cascaded over the White House? The USA was basically the superpower back then, no one had the technology then to do what was claimed in the Washington sighting.
Far from absurd. As my favorite fictional character goes, Sherlock Holmes once said
''if you eliminate the impossible, no matter how improbable, whatever remains must be the truth.''
suppose you are right, what are you going to do about it?
well the fact that movies are released about aliens, what's the point of the USA government hiding evidences on UFOs -_-
some people think too much about aliens that they forgot about the constant problems of the world that needs solving. think of world unity first and make the government spend money on other people instead of war machines.
Moot point. "Focus on other problems" is a well-known tune of the party in the opposition.
On the contrary, let's focus on this. How come that the FBI never admitted formally the existence of aliens, never made any trumpeting statement while they funded research about this ?
1- They are a conspiracy, and hid the truth to allow the freemasons / the Jew / the red-haired to take the power thanks to alien technology.
2- They realized it was all nonsense, and were ashamed to have wasted the taxpayer's money.
You want to know my guess ? I think Napoleon had it right.