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TheGrobe wrote:

Actually, mass hysteria is a very real thing. Probably most famously the Salem witch trials, less so the 1518 Dancing Plague:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_Plague_of_1518

Yes, but spontaenous mass local sightings that are not preceded by a period of mass rhetorical conditioning are a completely different situation.  It really isn't relevant data to bring to bear to support your idea that the masses can be deluded or collect around a popular contemporary fiction.

waffllemaster
Master_Valek wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:
Master_Valek wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:

When I was a kid my parents had some friends over and were playing a parlor game, they let me join in.  Essentially the game was to take a dictionary word no one knew the definition of and each player fabricates as plausible a definition as they can.  The real and fabricated definitions are then read aloud and you get a point for every person you fooled with yours.

Anyway... the point is as a kid trying to come up with a believable definition for an unknown word my definition started out... "A top secret..." and immediately people were chuckling.  As a kid I didn't make the connection.  Not saying this is exactly what's happening in these alien proof things, but I always think back to that time and chuckle to myself.  Of course I should have done what these UFO guys do... "A now declassified top secret" or "A once available, but now top secret..."

The interesting thing about the secret memo's, is that they are proof, not evidence, but proof that gov. agencies have taken a very serious stance on the subject, even if never publically admitting it.

Even now, with the documents released, they will not make public statements on the subject, unless statements to simply downplay their involvements or on the rare occasion, make a point that they hold no interest in the subject. Blatent denial in face of the obvious facts contradicting such statements.

UFO's, I would guess, would definitely be considered a matter of national security for any nation... because they're unidentified objects that are flying in their air space.

The jump from "these unidentified objects are of great interest to the government" (well I certainly hope so) to "it's therefore aliens from outer space" is absurd.

Not absurd at all.. it's logical. How can any nation have the technology to escape the airforce in 1952 say, when several UFO's cascaded over the White House? The USA was basically the superpower back then, no one had the technology then to do what was claimed in the Washington sighting.

 

Far from absurd. As my favorite fictional character goes, Sherlock Holmes once said

 

''if you eliminate the impossible, no matter how improbable, whatever remains must be the truth.''

I heard a noise in my kitchen so I get up to investigate.  When I get there there's nothing there.  Conclusion: the alien in my kitchen telaported away... how else can you explain someone getting into my house and leaving so quickly without a trace?

Woah, slow down.  All I said was a heard a noise.  First eliminate the other reasonable explanations then we can talk about aliens.

TheGrobe

No, it's probably due to some as of yet unexplained psychic connection....

waffllemaster

The sightings over Washington were spirits.  The fact that they won't confirm this is proof of the conspiracy to cover it up.  The memo saying it was investigated is proof that spirits were there.

TheGrobe
Master_Valek wrote:

Histeria is another thing... that is when a group of people are made to believe in a situation with as little correspondance to evidence as possible.

Hmm, sounds familiar....

waffllemaster

Also notice ancient cultures believed in gods.  This is further proof that humans have been in contact with the spirit world for centuries.  Any denial of this is foolishness on your part as the evidence is all around you.

Knightly_News
waffllemaster wrote:

I heard a noise in my kitchen so I get up to investigate.  When I get there there's nothing there.  Conclusion: the alien in my kitchen telaported away... how else can you explain someone getting into my house and leaving so quickly without a trace?

Woah, slow down.  All I said was a heard a noise.  First eliminate the other reasonable explanations then we can talk about aliens.

Maybe you heard your favorite automated strawman rustling around down there.  Because I'm quite sure Master Valek, nor anyone else making the case for the possibility or existence of sentient extra-terrestrial visits is citing any kind of rationale like the tangental hyperbole you just presented as an 'example' of their reasoning.  Stop misrepresenting the case of your opponents if you want to be treated like a rational skeptic interesting in the truth.

Knightly_News
waffllemaster wrote:

I heard a noise in my kitchen so I get up to investigate.  When I get there there's nothing there.  Conclusion: the alien in my kitchen telaported away... how else can you explain someone getting into my house and leaving so quickly without a trace?

Woah, slow down.  All I said was a heard a noise.  First eliminate the other reasonable explanations then we can talk about aliens.

Maybe you heard your favorite automated strawman rustling around down there. Because I'm quite sure Master Valek, nor anyone else making the case for the possibility or existence of sentient extra-terrestrial visits is citing any kind of rationale like the tangental hyperbole you just presented as your 'example' of their reasoning. Stop misrepresenting the case of your opponents if you want to be treated like a rational skeptic who is genuinely interesting in discovering the truth more than just trolling or putting down your advisaries.

waffllemaster
reflectivist wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:

I heard a noise in my kitchen so I get up to investigate.  When I get there there's nothing there.  Conclusion: the alien in my kitchen telaported away... how else can you explain someone getting into my house and leaving so quickly without a trace?

Woah, slow down.  All I said was a heard a noise.  First eliminate the other reasonable explanations then we can talk about aliens.

Maybe you heard your favorite automated strawman rustling around down there. Because I'm quite sure Master Valek, nor anyone else making the case for the possibility or existence of sentient extra-terrestrial visits is citing any kind of rationale like the tangental hyperbole you just presented as your 'example' of their reasoning. Stop misrepresenting the case of your opponents if you want to be treated like a rational skeptic who is genuinely interesting in discovering the truth more than just trolling or putting down your advisaries.

I'm not claiming that you're wrong because my contrived situation is wrong.  I'm using the would be strawman to point out the illogical jumps in reasoning.

TheGrobe

It's not a strawman, it's reductio ad absurdum.

waffllemaster
Master_Valek wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:
Master_Valek wrote:

Histeria is another thing... that is when a group of people are made to believe in a situation with as little correspondance to evidence as possible.

Hmm, sounds familiar....

Except there is an abundant amount of evidence!

I agree.  These fools only decieve themselves.  Millions of people in contact with the spirit world every day and real effects can be seen all the time.  This is nothing new.  For thousands of years people have used prayer but still they doubt it works.

I recommend this powerful book:

Danny_BLT

and i always thought chess was a game of logical thinking??

waffllemaster
madvilain wrote:

and i always thought chess was a game of logical thinking??

I know... it's a bit of an embarrassment.  It was definitely spirits that were seen over the white house not aliens.

waffllemaster

The basic principles of human reasoning are broken down because you lot cannot believe that the spirit world is contacting us.  The evidence of spirits in our world is so well-documented, and so prevalent in human history that denial of their existences can only come from the highest forms of ignorance.

BhomasTrown

(artist unknown)

TheGrobe

If I were to concede that there were aircraft under intelligent control (a big if), the first thing I'd look for is a known entity capable of intelligently piloting aircraft as the most likely explanation. As luck would have it, I'm aware of one... us.

TheGrobe

You mean they saw ET in the cockpit? Alien in it's literal sense just means foreign or unfamiliar, not necessarily extra-terrestrial.

But all that's assuming I buy into the reports in the first place.

waffllemaster
Master_Valek wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:

The basic principles of human reasoning are broken down because you lot cannot believe that the spirit world is contacting us.  The evidence of spirits in our world is so well-documented, and so prevalent in human history that denial of their existences can only come from the highest forms of ignorance.

I am not talking about spirits, you are on the fixation that they are real, but their existences go back to even the earliest psyche of the human. UFO's are a different scenario, they are real and physical. We know this because they have been detected using radar systems, ghosts aren't. 

Are you trying to tell me that the reality is a mountain of evidence, and thousands of years of recorded experiences, can be twisted to support a specious conclusion?  I don't think so.  Because spirits are plausible, and because there is evidence, I believe no other explanation needs to be considered... the psyche... are you actually suggesting it's a figment of human psychology?  When people are healed or storms punish humanity these are physical phenomenon we can measure in a laboratory just like your alien metals.  The book I linked was written by a M.D.

Knightly_News
TheGrobe wrote:

You mean they saw ET in the cockpit? Alien in it's literal sense just means foreign or unfamiliar, not necessarily extra-terrestrial.

 

But all that's assuming I buy into the reports in the first place.

After your first anal probe by extraterrestrials, you won't be so cocky.  You'll be thinking about how you're going to raise the half-breed progeny of your alien-induced pregnancy.

TheGrobe
Master_Valek wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:

You mean they saw ET in the cockpit? Alien in it's literal sense just means foreign or unfamiliar, not necessarily extra-terrestrial.

 

But all that's assuming I buy into the reports in the first place.

One pilot had seen ''occupants'' in an aircraft he was sent to investigate. His ship was never found again. His last words were ''my god, people are in it!''

 

So yes, in some cases I am inclined to believe the crafts are manned. A lot of them I bet probably aren't. Probes most likely, but still displaying a technology which far exceeds our own. 

Take a moment and think those last words and what about them directly contradicts your position that this was extraterrestrial....