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People often get sociopaths and psychopaths mixed up. As someone with a lot of experience in the field, I’ll do a write up of the major differences of both, plus a narcissist.
What you’re thinking of is a psychopath. Intelligent, charismatic, manipulative, lacks empathy, has zero disregard for human life, etc. They usually become very successful because they’re smart enough to know that if they commit crimes and get caught, they go to prison. Some do commit crime and / or become murderers though. They will try to ruin somebody’s life because they find it fun. People are pawns to them. They’ll be your best friend for years just to slowly get close to you so they can put themselves in a situation to get your money, or steal your wife, just to hurt YOU because they love it. Simply put, they’re evil people. A psychopath is an example of nature, not nurture. They’re simply born without empathy.
A sociopath is...much less evil. In fact, they’re not really evil at all. There’s no evil intent behind anything they do. They’re just immaturity taken to the absolute extreme. They’re usually simple minded, on the lower end of the IQ scale, very selfish, impulsive, immature, irresponsible, always think in the moment, etc. They’re essentially stuck at age 12. And they have very shallow empathy. It’s still there, but it comes and goes, and their own self interests always supersede any empathy they might have. For example, they might feel inside that they love you one minute, then cheat on you the next because they got horny for 5 seconds when someone flirted with them. Then they’ll seriously regret it afterwards...but then they’ll be mad at YOU for it. They show emotions, but it’s very surface level, their feelings are there and then gone the next minute. They’re very toxic to be involved with, but unlike the psychopath, they’re not planning on ruining anyone’s life. In fact, they have no desire at all to do that. They just do whatever they feel like, moment to moment to moment. They’re just so irresponsible and immature that they simply cannot accept responsibility for anything, so they’ll blame things on you, fight with you, etc. and they’ll never change, because they never grow up. They’ll give you promises then break them the next day because their feelings change moment to moment as selfish impulses take over. Like a child. If they want to buy something and don’t have the money, they’ll take it from you and then buy it. Not because they want to hurt you, but because...they want the money. They’ll drink and drive, they’ll steal a car, etc. That’s why a lot of sociopaths can’t keep a job and end up failing in life (they steal when they want something, or they tell their supervisor to f- off because they got mad). They’re not out to get you, they’re not out to ruin your life or manipulate you, there is no underlying motive for anything they do except pure momentary self interest. It’s as basic as it gets. With a sociopath, what you see is literally what you get. They just do whatever they want. Their friend can say “let’s rob a bank” and they’ll do it. They don’t have the empathy to think “it’s wrong”, and they don’t have the capacity to think about the potential consequences of it. They just...want the money. Their selfish desire for that money overrides everything else. Sociopaths are made by nurture. Bad parenting. I actually believe that there’s a lot of undiagnosed sociopaths out there. It IS possible to have a relationship and a family with a sociopath, but...it’s really not worth the headache. The relationship will always have major problems because they’ll never be willing to change, because they don’t see themselves as the problem, because they don’t have the capacity to self reflect.
A narcissist would be in between the two. They’re definitely more evil and MUCH more toxic than a sociopath, but a narcissist would never kill somebody or commit serious crimes. They love having power over people, and enjoy playing with people’s emotions. They love receiving love and attention from everybody because they don’t have that validation within themselves. They’ll make you feel like they love you, then crush your heart at the perfect moment. They’re emotional serial killers, they’ll suck your soul out. And they’ll plan it. There IS a good person deep inside, and there’s side to them that wants to love, but it’s covered by a self serving mask that constantly protects them from intimacy because they feel that being vulnerable is a weakness, because every time they’ve been vulnerable with someone growing up, they just got hurt. They’re too far gone, and you can’t ever change them because the mask will ALWAYS come out. They’re extremely toxic and you need to get away from them. In a relationship they’ll do a push / pull thing where they’ll get close and then their mask will protect them from getting too close, so they’ll pull away and hurt you. When the mask comes on, they’ll destroy you. It’s a toxic cycle of emotional torture. They’re made by nurture, like sociopaths. Lack of love from people close to them. I consider narcissists to simply be “broken”. Narcissists attract empaths because a narcissist can easily get their supply and validation while simultaneously manipulating their emotions, while the empath tries desperately to fix them.
Is magnus carlsen any one of these? Idk, i don’t know the guy. He’s 100% not a sociopath though, a sociopath would never be better then like an 800, and even then that’s pushing it. Every quality they have is the complete opposite of being a good chess player. Their low intellect, need for stimulation, impulsivity, etc...a sociopath can play chess for 10 years and still be a 600 ELO. But trust me, no sociopath would have the slightest interest in chess anyway. Sociopaths do get laid a lot though, even more than psychopaths. They embody the “bad boy” syndrome.
What you’re thinking of is a psychopath. Intelligent, charismatic, manipulative, lacks empathy, has zero disregard for human life, etc. They usually become very successful because they’re smart enough to know that if they commit crimes and get caught, they go to prison. Some do commit crime and / or become murderers though. They will try to ruin somebody’s life because they find it fun. People are pawns to them. They’ll be your best friend for years just to slowly get close to you so they can put themselves in a situation to get your money, or steal your wife, just to hurt YOU because they love it. Simply put, they’re evil people. A psychopath is an example of nature, not nurture. They’re simply born without empathy.
A sociopath is...much less evil. In fact, they’re not really evil at all. There’s no evil intent behind anything they do. They’re just immaturity taken to the absolute extreme. They’re usually simple minded, on the lower end of the IQ scale, very selfish, impulsive, immature, irresponsible, always think in the moment, etc. They’re essentially stuck at age 12. And they have very shallow empathy. It’s still there, but it comes and goes, and their own self interests always supersede any empathy they might have. For example, they might feel inside that they love you one minute, then cheat on you the next because they got horny for 5 seconds when someone flirted with them. Then they’ll seriously regret it afterwards...but then they’ll be mad at YOU for it. They show emotions, but it’s very surface level, their feelings are there and then gone the next minute. They’re very toxic to be involved with, but unlike the psychopath, they’re not planning on ruining anyone’s life. In fact, they have no desire at all to do that. They just do whatever they feel like, moment to moment to moment. They’re just so irresponsible and immature that they simply cannot accept responsibility for anything, so they’ll blame things on you, fight with you, etc. and they’ll never change, because they never grow up. They’ll give you promises then break them the next day because their feelings change moment to moment as selfish impulses take over. Like a child. If they want to buy something and don’t have the money, they’ll take it from you and then buy it. Not because they want to hurt you, but because...they want the money. They’ll drink and drive, they’ll steal a car, etc. That’s why a lot of sociopaths can’t keep a job and end up failing in life (they steal when they want something, or they tell their supervisor to f- off because they got mad). They’re not out to get you, they’re not out to ruin your life or manipulate you, there is no underlying motive for anything they do except pure momentary self interest. It’s as basic as it gets. With a sociopath, what you see is literally what you get. They just do whatever they want. Their friend can say “let’s rob a bank” and they’ll do it. They don’t have the empathy to think “it’s wrong”, and they don’t have the capacity to think about the potential consequences of it. They just...want the money. Their selfish desire for that money overrides everything else. Sociopaths are made by nurture. Bad parenting. I actually believe that there’s a lot of undiagnosed sociopaths out there. It IS possible to have a relationship and a family with a sociopath, but...it’s really not worth the headache. The relationship will always have major problems because they’ll never be willing to change, because they don’t see themselves as the problem, because they don’t have the capacity to self reflect.
A narcissist would be in between the two. They’re definitely more evil and MUCH more toxic than a sociopath, but a narcissist would never kill somebody or commit serious crimes. They love having power over people, and enjoy playing with people’s emotions. They love receiving love and attention from everybody because they don’t have that validation within themselves. They’ll make you feel like they love you, then crush your heart at the perfect moment. They’re emotional serial killers, they’ll suck your soul out. And they’ll plan it. There IS a good person deep inside, and there’s side to them that wants to love, but it’s covered by a self serving mask that constantly protects them from intimacy because they feel that being vulnerable is a weakness, because every time they’ve been vulnerable with someone growing up, they just got hurt. They’re too far gone, and you can’t ever change them because the mask will ALWAYS come out. They’re extremely toxic and you need to get away from them. In a relationship they’ll do a push / pull thing where they’ll get close and then their mask will protect them from getting too close, so they’ll pull away and hurt you. When the mask comes on, they’ll destroy you. It’s a toxic cycle of emotional torture. They’re made by nurture, like sociopaths. Lack of love from people close to them. I consider narcissists to simply be “broken”. Narcissists attract empaths because a narcissist can easily get their supply and validation while simultaneously manipulating their emotions, while the empath tries desperately to fix them.
Is magnus carlsen any one of these? Idk, i don’t know the guy. He’s 100% not a sociopath though, a sociopath would never be better then like an 800, and even then that’s pushing it. Every quality they have is the complete opposite of being a good chess player. Their low intellect, need for stimulation, impulsivity, etc...a sociopath can play chess for 10 years and still be a 600 ELO. But trust me, no sociopath would have the slightest interest in chess anyway. Sociopaths do get laid a lot though, even more than psychopaths. They embody the “bad boy” syndrome.
Magnus is a fun loving guy - is liked and respected by his peers. Well adjusted and participates in regular activities that guys normally do. His mind might appear “elsewhere” - he’s absorbed by his love for chess. This preoccupation should not be viewed as deviant in any fashion. When you’re the worlds best - it’s normal to have a few idiosyncrasies - as we all do.
I wonder about his comment on not liking "normal" people. I wonder if he defines normal people as people who don't play chess or people that can't think on his level or what. He even says that its odd that chess42 views him as "the people's champion" because he does not like normal people. I'm also not suggesting that Magnus is evil or malicious in any way.
krazeechess wrote:
bro, magnus is a normal guy with a chess talent. He is smarter than the average adult, but that's it.
Being good at chess has absolutely nothing to do with being "smarter" than an average adult. Pretty sure magnus is just an average adult.
Being sociopath is good. If you care too much about people some changing chemical imbalance might make you paranoid
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mninp wrote:
People often get sociopaths and psychopaths mixed up. As someone with a lot of experience in the field, I’ll do a write up of the major differences of both, plus a narcissist.
What you’re thinking of is a psychopath. Intelligent, charismatic, manipulative, lacks empathy, has zero disregard for human life, etc. They usually become very successful because they’re smart enough to know that if they commit crimes and get caught, they go to prison. Some do commit crime and / or become murderers though. They will try to ruin somebody’s life because they find it fun. People are pawns to them. They’ll be your best friend for years just to slowly get close to you so they can put themselves in a situation to get your money, or steal your wife, just to hurt YOU because they love it. Simply put, they’re evil people. A psychopath is an example of nature, not nurture. They’re simply born without empathy.
A sociopath is...much less evil. In fact, they’re not really evil at all. There’s no evil intent behind anything they do. They’re just immaturity taken to the absolute extreme. They’re usually simple minded, on the lower end of the IQ scale, very selfish, impulsive, immature, irresponsible, always think in the moment, etc. They’re essentially stuck at age 12. And they have very shallow empathy. It’s still there, but it comes and goes, and their own self interests always supersede any empathy they might have. For example, they might feel inside that they love you one minute, then cheat on you the next because they got horny for 5 seconds when someone flirted with them. Then they’ll seriously regret it afterwards...but then they’ll be mad at YOU for it. They show emotions, but it’s very surface level, their feelings are there and then gone the next minute. They’re very toxic to be involved with, but unlike the psychopath, they’re not planning on ruining anyone’s life. In fact, they have no desire at all to do that. They just do whatever they feel like, moment to moment to moment. They’re just so irresponsible and immature that they simply cannot accept responsibility for anything, so they’ll blame things on you, fight with you, etc. and they’ll never change, because they never grow up. They’ll give you promises then break them the next day because their feelings change moment to moment as selfish impulses take over. Like a child. If they want to buy something and don’t have the money, they’ll take it from you and then buy it. Not because they want to hurt you, but because...they want the money. They’ll drink and drive, they’ll steal a car, etc. That’s why a lot of sociopaths can’t keep a job and end up failing in life (they steal when they want something, or they tell their supervisor to f- off because they got mad). They’re not out to get you, they’re not out to ruin your life or manipulate you, there is no underlying motive for anything they do except pure momentary self interest. It’s as basic as it gets. With a sociopath, what you see is literally what you get. They just do whatever they want. Their friend can say “let’s rob a bank” and they’ll do it. They don’t have the empathy to think “it’s wrong”, and they don’t have the capacity to think about the potential consequences of it. They just...want the money. Their selfish desire for that money overrides everything else. Sociopaths are made by nurture. Bad parenting. I actually believe that there’s a lot of undiagnosed sociopaths out there. It IS possible to have a relationship and a family with a sociopath, but...it’s really not worth the headache. The relationship will always have major problems because they’ll never be willing to change, because they don’t see themselves as the problem, because they don’t have the capacity to self reflect.
A narcissist would be in between the two. They’re definitely more evil and MUCH more toxic than a sociopath, but a narcissist would never kill somebody or commit serious crimes. They love having power over people, and enjoy playing with people’s emotions. They love receiving love and attention from everybody because they don’t have that validation within themselves. They’ll make you feel like they love you, then crush your heart at the perfect moment. They’re emotional serial killers, they’ll suck your soul out. And they’ll plan it. There IS a good person deep inside, and there’s side to them that wants to love, but it’s covered by a self serving mask that constantly protects them from intimacy because they feel that being vulnerable is a weakness, because every time they’ve been vulnerable with someone growing up, they just got hurt. They’re too far gone, and you can’t ever change them because the mask will ALWAYS come out. They’re extremely toxic and you need to get away from them. In a relationship they’ll do a push / pull thing where they’ll get close and then their mask will protect them from getting too close, so they’ll pull away and hurt you. When the mask comes on, they’ll destroy you. It’s a toxic cycle of emotional torture. They’re made by nurture, like sociopaths. Lack of love from people close to them. I consider narcissists to simply be “broken”. Narcissists attract empaths because a narcissist can easily get their supply and validation while simultaneously manipulating their emotions, while the empath tries desperately to fix them.
Is magnus carlsen any one of these? Idk, i don’t know the guy. He’s 100% not a sociopath though, a sociopath would never be better then like an 800, and even then that’s pushing it. Every quality they have is the complete opposite of being a good chess player. Their low intellect, need for stimulation, impulsivity, etc...a sociopath can play chess for 10 years and still be a 600 ELO. But trust me, no sociopath would have the slightest interest in chess anyway. Sociopaths do get laid a lot though, even more than psychopaths. They embody the “bad boy” syndrome.
What you’re thinking of is a psychopath. Intelligent, charismatic, manipulative, lacks empathy, has zero disregard for human life, etc. They usually become very successful because they’re smart enough to know that if they commit crimes and get caught, they go to prison. Some do commit crime and / or become murderers though. They will try to ruin somebody’s life because they find it fun. People are pawns to them. They’ll be your best friend for years just to slowly get close to you so they can put themselves in a situation to get your money, or steal your wife, just to hurt YOU because they love it. Simply put, they’re evil people. A psychopath is an example of nature, not nurture. They’re simply born without empathy.
A sociopath is...much less evil. In fact, they’re not really evil at all. There’s no evil intent behind anything they do. They’re just immaturity taken to the absolute extreme. They’re usually simple minded, on the lower end of the IQ scale, very selfish, impulsive, immature, irresponsible, always think in the moment, etc. They’re essentially stuck at age 12. And they have very shallow empathy. It’s still there, but it comes and goes, and their own self interests always supersede any empathy they might have. For example, they might feel inside that they love you one minute, then cheat on you the next because they got horny for 5 seconds when someone flirted with them. Then they’ll seriously regret it afterwards...but then they’ll be mad at YOU for it. They show emotions, but it’s very surface level, their feelings are there and then gone the next minute. They’re very toxic to be involved with, but unlike the psychopath, they’re not planning on ruining anyone’s life. In fact, they have no desire at all to do that. They just do whatever they feel like, moment to moment to moment. They’re just so irresponsible and immature that they simply cannot accept responsibility for anything, so they’ll blame things on you, fight with you, etc. and they’ll never change, because they never grow up. They’ll give you promises then break them the next day because their feelings change moment to moment as selfish impulses take over. Like a child. If they want to buy something and don’t have the money, they’ll take it from you and then buy it. Not because they want to hurt you, but because...they want the money. They’ll drink and drive, they’ll steal a car, etc. That’s why a lot of sociopaths can’t keep a job and end up failing in life (they steal when they want something, or they tell their supervisor to f- off because they got mad). They’re not out to get you, they’re not out to ruin your life or manipulate you, there is no underlying motive for anything they do except pure momentary self interest. It’s as basic as it gets. With a sociopath, what you see is literally what you get. They just do whatever they want. Their friend can say “let’s rob a bank” and they’ll do it. They don’t have the empathy to think “it’s wrong”, and they don’t have the capacity to think about the potential consequences of it. They just...want the money. Their selfish desire for that money overrides everything else. Sociopaths are made by nurture. Bad parenting. I actually believe that there’s a lot of undiagnosed sociopaths out there. It IS possible to have a relationship and a family with a sociopath, but...it’s really not worth the headache. The relationship will always have major problems because they’ll never be willing to change, because they don’t see themselves as the problem, because they don’t have the capacity to self reflect.
A narcissist would be in between the two. They’re definitely more evil and MUCH more toxic than a sociopath, but a narcissist would never kill somebody or commit serious crimes. They love having power over people, and enjoy playing with people’s emotions. They love receiving love and attention from everybody because they don’t have that validation within themselves. They’ll make you feel like they love you, then crush your heart at the perfect moment. They’re emotional serial killers, they’ll suck your soul out. And they’ll plan it. There IS a good person deep inside, and there’s side to them that wants to love, but it’s covered by a self serving mask that constantly protects them from intimacy because they feel that being vulnerable is a weakness, because every time they’ve been vulnerable with someone growing up, they just got hurt. They’re too far gone, and you can’t ever change them because the mask will ALWAYS come out. They’re extremely toxic and you need to get away from them. In a relationship they’ll do a push / pull thing where they’ll get close and then their mask will protect them from getting too close, so they’ll pull away and hurt you. When the mask comes on, they’ll destroy you. It’s a toxic cycle of emotional torture. They’re made by nurture, like sociopaths. Lack of love from people close to them. I consider narcissists to simply be “broken”. Narcissists attract empaths because a narcissist can easily get their supply and validation while simultaneously manipulating their emotions, while the empath tries desperately to fix them.
Is magnus carlsen any one of these? Idk, i don’t know the guy. He’s 100% not a sociopath though, a sociopath would never be better then like an 800, and even then that’s pushing it. Every quality they have is the complete opposite of being a good chess player. Their low intellect, need for stimulation, impulsivity, etc...a sociopath can play chess for 10 years and still be a 600 ELO. But trust me, no sociopath would have the slightest interest in chess anyway. Sociopaths do get laid a lot though, even more than psychopaths. They embody the “bad boy” syndrome.
Did you mean zero regard for human life? In the psychopath
No not at all. Clearly his comment was reflecting how sees himself as being perceived by others.
When he says “I like to believe I do(care about normal people) and that i am normal myself” we can see a bit of who he is. Not a narcissist but a pretty well adjusted human being. Especially for a young world chess champion.
When he says “I like to believe I do(care about normal people) and that i am normal myself” we can see a bit of who he is. Not a narcissist but a pretty well adjusted human being. Especially for a young world chess champion.
Nov 20, 2020
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kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
krazeechess wrote:
bro, magnus is a normal guy with a chess talent. He is smarter than the average adult, but that's it.
Being good at chess has absolutely nothing to do with being "smarter" than an average adult.
This has been argued to death, but I wasn't aware that the question has now been resolved.
I find it astonishing that they can know this with absolute certainty, given that they don't even fully understand how the brain of a housefly works.
It is simple. He is avoiding untitled player( as he refering in the video) in the same way we avoid different type of people in our social life.
Nov 20, 2020
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bigbsama wrote:
This is kind of a repeat of another question posted here on the forums: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/is-magnus-carlsen-a-sociopath#:~:text=He%20is%20probably%20not%20a%20sociopath.
I also watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EddDHalQTOc where at the beginning of the video he says "I still act like I don't care about regular people. The jury's still out if I do but at least I would like to pretend that I do and that I'm very much regular myself." In interviews he seems to space out, not being very present minded. It's usually the case that prodigies have social abnormalities so it may be the case. I just found it interesting that nobody in the comment section had any reaction to what he said, and I wondered if anyone had an opinion on this.
I like the video commentary; Magnus has a funny sense of humor. 
Similarly displaying his sense of humor: in an interview, a reporter asked Magnus something similar to the op. The reporter said something like: "chess players are not known for being the most 'normal' people; more like expecting to find stuff crawling out from the floorboards or with a dead body in the house, but you seem quite 'normal.'
To this Magnus responded with something like. "Well, I'm still kind of young, so give me a few years and then see how I am."
lol as if he might become some psychopath in years time.
In my opinion, is Magnus a sociopath? Certainly not from what I've seen. In fact, Magnus is one of the more "normal" chess Grandmasters I've seen. Obviously, he studies and plays a ton of chess, but what chess GM doesn't?
IpswichMatt wrote:
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
krazeechess wrote:
bro, magnus is a normal guy with a chess talent. He is smarter than the average adult, but that's it.
Being good at chess has absolutely nothing to do with being "smarter" than an average adult.
This has been argued to death, but I wasn't aware that the question has now been resolved.
I find it astonishing that they can know this with absolute certainty, given that they don't even fully understand how the brain of a housefly works.
There is no arguing in this. Playing chess makes you better at one thing, playing chess. Didn't they test chess players and non chess players in some innovation task and found the results to basically be the same? There is no reason why playing chess will make u a genius
This is kind of a repeat of another question posted here on the forums: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/is-magnus-carlsen-a-sociopath#:~:text=He%20is%20probably%20not%20a%20sociopath.
I also watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EddDHalQTOc where at the beginning of the video he says "I still act like I don't care about regular people. The jury's still out if I do but at least I would like to pretend that I do and that I'm very much regular myself." In interviews he seems to space out, not being very present minded. It's usually the case that prodigies have social abnormalities so it may be the case. I just found it interesting that nobody in the comment section had any reaction to what he said, and I wondered if anyone had an opinion on this.