Is the Traxler Counter Attack a solid opening?

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pfren wrote:
sachin884 wrote:
sachin884 wrote:
ksh0924 wrote:

For c3, bishop g4 is trapping the queen and kxf2 is kind of worse than the first

i still prefer playing black for a reason.. first kick that knight then capture the pawn central one and target on f pawn and bring rook into the file.. king is safe lol 

after all i got same position like that and opponent resigned when i kicked that knight brought rook into the attack.. all his queen side pieces sleeping.. queen soon came into the king side.. dark squared bishop controlling f pawn.. light squared bishop ready for hook pawn.. bye bye white king

btw i said right i lost one position out of ten

let me show you the position

complications complications.. i hate complications... i avoid them.. but complications likes me i cant avoid them lollllllllllllll nice dialogue right

i had so much time pressure as i i thought alot as traxler counter attack needs alot of depth thinking and by that time pressure played blunder

in twelveth move he captured with rook because if he captured with knight i would have gained alot of tempos

 

Now honestly, if you cannot win against a beginner's move like 8.Ke1?? then you'd rather play some other opening. The final position is won for Black (did you really lose this? how?), but only after both sides blundered several times.

I guess this was a blitz game, so all these terrible moves- no?

 

 

thank you so much sir for all these moves.. as i said its complicated sir.. i said right sir 

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sachin884 wrote:
pfren wrote:
sachin884 wrote:
sachin884 wrote:
ksh0924 wrote:

For c3, bishop g4 is trapping the queen and kxf2 is kind of worse than the first

i still prefer playing black for a reason.. first kick that knight then capture the pawn central one and target on f pawn and bring rook into the file.. king is safe lol 

after all i got same position like that and opponent resigned when i kicked that knight brought rook into the attack.. all his queen side pieces sleeping.. queen soon came into the king side.. dark squared bishop controlling f pawn.. light squared bishop ready for hook pawn.. bye bye white king

btw i said right i lost one position out of ten

let me show you the position

complications complications.. i hate complications... i avoid them.. but complications likes me i cant avoid them lollllllllllllll nice dialogue right

i had so much time pressure as i i thought alot as traxler counter attack needs alot of depth thinking and by that time pressure played blunder

in twelveth move he captured with rook because if he captured with knight i would have gained alot of tempos

 

Now honestly, if you cannot win against a beginner's move like 8.Ke1?? then you'd rather play some other opening. The final position is won for Black (did you really lose this? how?), but only after both sides blundered several times.

I guess this was a blitz game, so all these terrible moves- no?

 

 

thank you so much sir for all these moves.. as i said its complicated sir.. i said right sir 

however sir he had more material dont only think about that beginner move king e  one its actually an forced move.. of white

yes it was an blitz game.. its not an rapid right sir.. also sir if you see that last position black was winning.. as i said due to time pressure i lost sir

my dark squared bishop and rook were so active with + three pawns meanwhile their team with an extra minor piece just sleeping.. meanwhile played sort of mouseslip sir

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sachin884 wrote:

 

yes it was an blitz game.

 

Then so many bad mistakes from both sides are explicable.

You may discard the above analysis (it's stupid to analyse a blitz game). Whatever the "fun value" of such games, they cannot be used to make verdicts about openings, or pretty much anything else.

Avatar of KnightMovesInLs

After a few accurate moves and not being material greedy white has a large and comfortable advantage. I wouldn't use it in a long game but it's definitely deadly in blitz below let's say 2000 rating

Avatar of yggggggggggggg

I don't remember this exact game but I remember it has the same ending and same move count.

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Also it's quite similar to the real one.

Avatar of yggggggggggggg

I just don't know where the king moved after I won the queen. lol

Avatar of Thee_Ghostess_Lola

the wilkes-barre is probably the most beautiful opening there is. it captures the very essence of hyperfighting die-tryn chess...tactical chaos !

...& it doesnt start after blueberry pancakes. u go RIGHT NOW...yee !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S280Pqq3T_w

Avatar of Thee_Ghostess_Lola

the traxler screams out that castlings not a option & definitely not for beckys or beta males. lol !

Avatar of Thee_Ghostess_Lola

ur voluntarily grabbing ea other by the hair, balling up ur fist, & slugging ea other as hard as u can on their face. the last one standing wins. lol !

...& if u both fall dn at the same time itsa draw. happy.png

Avatar of yggggggggggggg

Well, stockfish suggests white gets a little advantage which still results in a draw at the end. Black would be very likely to be prepared with the traxler while white would mostly barely know the line and struggle to defend. So in conclusion, traxler is kind of gooood

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theres a movie scene that epitomizes the traxler...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=471J3Ebtyj8

Avatar of AdityaUyyuyu

The Traxler Counter Attack is an aggressive and tactical opening variation that arises after the moves 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5.

While it can be a fun and exciting opening to play, it is not considered to be one of the most solid or reliable openings at the highest levels of chess.

One reason for this is that after the common response 5.Nxf7, Black is forced to sacrifice a pawn with 5...Bxf2+. While this can lead to an interesting and dynamic game, it also means that Black is playing with a material deficit and must rely on quick development and active piece play to compensate.

Furthermore, if White is well-prepared and knows how to handle the Traxler, it can be difficult for Black to maintain the initiative and prevent White from consolidating their advantage.

Overall, the Traxler Counter Attack can be a fun and exciting opening to play, particularly at the club level, but it is not considered to be one of the most solid or reliable openings for Black. As with any opening, it is important to study and understand the ideas and plans behind it, as well as its strengths and weaknesses, in order to play it effectively.

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Yes
Avatar of yggggggggggggg

i agree

Avatar of LordVandheer

I don't think its really solid. Bxf7 really slows down the attack even if doesn't completely halt it. White has to do some natural moves after, to have a good game.

Lichess cloud analysis gives +1.7 to white. Thats not what you call solid. In comparison, accepting the Fried Liver is +0.9. Ulvestad is +0.7, Fritz variation is +0.8. Proper refutation of Knight attack is dead even. 

Even responding with d4 is +1.0, still more advantageous than accepting Fried Liver. It should tell you.

Traxler only works if white is being greedy. 

So, in an objective sense, it is not solid. But is it playable? I guess.

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Deranged wrote:

I never play the fried liver (I play king's gambit instead) so I've never had to deal with the Traxler Counterattack.

But if I did, I'd probably decline the free bishop. I'd play something like this:

This is the best move you can play against the traxler attack. If this position is played correctly, You can get the advantage!

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Middlegame_coach wrote:
pfren wrote:
Gspkhabib wrote:

This is greedy white

Or a game between idiots- whatever comes second.

After 7...Qf6?? either 8.Rf1 or 8.Qf3 win outright. So it's all the same

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Nxf7 should be good, but maybe not Kxf2

Avatar of Middlegame_coach

It's horrible