What is the chance he will lose multiple times in a bullet game with equal time control?
Is there any chance that a 1300 rated player can beat a 2700 rated player?
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Djon wrote: In simultan the 2700 will lose quite often to 1300.
BS. You really need to stop with these lies.
Cite a single example.
GM 2400 is not a 2700
2000 is not 1300
Stop mixing up the two, as if they are the same.
many other GMs in Norway have lost to unrated kids.
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leklerk1 wrote:
gm is 2500+
Incorrect. Minimum rating is 2400 for GM
# Name Title Fed Rating G B-Year
1 Carlsen, Magnus g NOR 2857 0 1990
2 Hammer, Jon Ludvig g NOR 2651 10 1990
3 Agdestein, Simen g NOR 2602 10 1967
4 Tari, Aryan g NOR 2570 12 1999
5 Urkedal, Frode g NOR 2537 9 1993
6 Lie, Kjetil A. g NOR 2524 0 1980
7 Johannessen, Leif Erlend g NOR 2497 4 1980
8 Salomon, Johan m NOR 2489 18 1997
9 Gausel, Einar g NOR 2475 0 1963
10 Ostmoe, Geir S. Tallaksen m NOR 2466 0 1985
11 Hansen, Torbjorn Ringdal g NOR 2457 0 1979
12 Ostenstad, Berge g NOR 2453 0 1964
Norway sports 10 current GM'S
Djon claimed many GM'S from Norway have lost to "unrated kids" in a simul.
Djon... here is a list of GM's. Who has lost to unrated kids?
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There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.
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KingTrader wrote:
Silly question. The only suprising thing is that this discussion is still painfully dragging on 250 pages later...
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Has anyone answered the question? The thread must continue.
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leklerk1 wrote:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.
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79% of statistics are made up on the spot.
In case you are not capable of noticing Djonn.. Norway sports 1, as in a single player rated 2700+... to which this discussion in general pertains. You may "wish" Norway is filled with GM'S and child prodigies, but the fact is simple. They are very rare, there or anywhere else. You had best educate yourself on the definition of "child prodigy" before so carelessly throwing it about.
This "logic" that... well a 2000 beat a 2400 in a simul or a 1700 beat a 2200 in an online game is beyond understanding how it supports a 1300 can beat a 2700.
GeniusKJ wrote:
This is making me dizzy.
Take a deep breath, hold on to your chair.
With 5000 daily, new memberships and high expectations of beating the pants off everybody here...
the thread is just beginning !!
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mdinnerspace wrote:
the thread is just beginning !!
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God help us all...
mdinnerspace wrote:
Norway sports 10 current GM'S
Djon claimed many GM'S from Norway have lost to "unrated kids" in a simul.
Djon... here is a list of GM's. Who has lost to unrated kids?
GM Jon Ludvig Hammer when he was at ca 2690 lost to Timur Gusarov, GM Simen Agdestein lost to Lykke Merlot Helliesen when she was six years old (in 2015). I was there when Hammer lost (in 2015). Maybe a lot was unpresice written, maybe not, but every non-Magnus GM i see loses many games in simultan. And they meet usually players between unrated and 2200 in the clubs. Timur is still unrated, and I think Lykke hadnt got any rating yet when she beat Simen. Now Lykke is above 1500.
mdinnerspace wrote:
In case you are not capable of noticing Djonn.. Norway sports 1, as in a single player rated 2700+... to which this discussion in general pertains. You may "wish" Norway is filled with GM'S and child prodigies, but the fact is simple. They are very rare, there or anywhere else. You had best educate yourself on the definition of "child prodigy" before so carelessly throwing it about.
My English is not very good, I have seen prodigies been used for very good chess kids, but if you have a presice definition for how good the should be to go for prodigies, please tell me. In my mind Lykke Merlot Helliesen (7 years 1545 fide) is a prodigy, the same goes for every kid that plays for Norway in youth championships, actually ca six in my club.
Do you narrow down prodigies to titled players or something? Or at tabell that requiers a certain Fide rating at a certain age?
F.eks 7 years-1500, 10 years 1800, 12 years 2000?
When A kid impress me, prodigy comes to my mind, and they often do.
In 2015 we had two 2700+ , Hammer have been there.
In Høstturneringen (Nordstrand sjakklubb) thursday the biggest upset was Amelia Nordquelle (1085) beating Lars Kveli (1728). Lars learnt the hard way that 1085 might be very dangerous. Amelia is registered with 94 games and have lost, lost , lost and started winning.
Right! Let's equate 1700 to 2700.
What comes to your mind regarding "prodigy" is just that. Made up. Nothing relevent to the discussion, as nobody else adheres to your fantasy.
Amelia Nordquelle
World ranking under 9 #2708
European ranking under 9 #1814
Norway ranking under 9 #12
You call this a "child prodigy " a "savant" ??
What can be said?
mdinnerspace wrote:
In Høstturneringen (Nordstrand sjakklubb) thursday the biggest upset was Amelia Nordquelle (1085) beating Lars Kveli (1728). Lars learnt the hard way that 1085 might be very dangerous. Amelia is registered with 94 games and have lost, lost , lost and started winning.
Right! Let's equate 1700 to 2700.
What comes to your mind regarding "prodigy" is just that. Made up. Nothing relevent to the discussion, as nobody else adheres to your fantasy.
My agenda isnt about proofing that a 1300 can beat a 2700, Its something else. In this discussion some people says that 1300s isnt good chessplayers. I think the 1300s are underestimated. But I dont think they will beat 2700s, not even IMs, in a game with equal timecontrols. It can theoretically and unrealistically happen, but I dont think so.
In my dreams Amelia is a prodigy, and Lykke certainly is. I hope to write more about them after Oslo Chess festival.
Results when players wins 600-700 points up happens sometimes, but 1400 up is too much. I think it was fun that Amelia won 643 up.
How many players would the 2700 level guy have to play in a row? If he has to play over, like 100 guys, then yeah it's possible.
In a simultaneous exhibition, the probability of winning increases not just by simple repeating of the same small probability p. There is also the factor of fatigue, the 2700 must put a lot of effort if he wants to win/draw all 100 games simultaneously.
In simultan the 2700 will lose quite often to 1300. Because he has only a fragment of the time, and has to play blitzy. Magnus lost to a ca 2000 in a simultan in Germany, and many other GMs in Norway have lost to unrated kids.
Longchess, or chess with equal timecontrols is a different story, where the 1300 is close to chanceless.