ChishTheFish wrote:
What if they misclick? That is not a lack of skill; and for player afar: if you claim that human opponents that are playing the game are part of the luck factor, then luck is unavoidable.
A misclick is the very definition of a lack of skill...hopefully that was not a serious argument.
Other skill-based actions that some would define as bad luck:
- Accidently touching a piece in touch move tournament rules (not actually part of chess, btw)
- Deciding to party until 4am the day of your tournament (also not actually part of chess)
- Thinking about your girlfriend while your opponent is thinking on their move
- Remembering you left the car unlocked
- Getting annoyed that the temperature is not right and your opponent doesn't smile
- Thinking upon about how you will be Kramnik one day because you played the Berlin
- Getting a cramp in your foot because of how you sit when you are anxious
The fact that poker has more luck than chess doesn't mean chess has no luck.
I said nothing like that, the distinction is on what people define what chess is. The disagreement is really about differing definitions of terns in the OP.
I didn't say it was about you - no need to get defensive.
There's a lot of people in the forum.
You responded to me without quoting, talking about the "distinction". I have nothing to defend, it's clear this whole thread are two ships passing in the night. The terms luck, chess and game are carelessly being used as if all parties agree precisely about what they mean.