Is there such thing as "luck" in chess?

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chessperson17071

it depends on the level of the players playing

at the below 1000 elo level, luck can be considered often a major factor of the game (it isn't), especially if you're talking about salty 200s who lose because they took too many courses on how to blunder their queen.

at the higher level, most players know luck does not necessarily exist at all in chess, unless your opponent turns up late to an otb competition and loses the game on time 💀

PikachuIronMan
tresequis wrote:

I won a Live Blitz game against an opponent ("monsieur") after I badly blundered and he badly blundered twice. As I was about to checkmate him he told me I was winning because of "luck".

I definitely didn't play brilliantly and my rating is low (about 1450) but he played worse than me so I beat him. For me, that's not luck.

I have also sometimes been called "lucky" after an opponent has dominated me positionally, but then made a blunder I have checkmated him.

Can you get lucky in chess? Or are there only good moves and bad moves?

1450 = good
look at my stats

luck is only involved when you paired with a bad chess player.

BigChessplayer665
chessperson17071 wrote:

it depends on the level of the players playing

at the below 1000 elo level, luck can be considered often a major factor of the game (it isn't), especially if you're talking about salty 200s who lose because they took too many courses on how to blunder their queen.

at the higher level, most players know luck does not necessarily exist at all in chess, unless your opponent turns up late to an otb competition and loses the game on time 💀

especially theory but once your out of that your on your own sometimes you can get lucky in a completely dead lost position and have your opponent hang something other times you can make it complicated and get them to blunder

BigChessplayer665
chessperson17071 wrote:

it depends on the level of the players playing

at the below 1000 elo level, luck can be considered often a major factor of the game (it isn't), especially if you're talking about salty 200s who lose because they took too many courses on how to blunder their queen.

at the higher level, most players know luck does not necessarily exist at all in chess, unless your opponent turns up late to an otb competition and loses the game on time 💀

no the higher skilled the less luck is random but higher rated players usually know how to get luckier (or swindle )

AGC-Gambit_YT

skill beats luck, luck is a concept not a proven fact it's a cliche that you are stale enough to believe.

Ziryab

There is such a think as luck in chess if you consider the whole context of external matters that affect the game. The game itself, however, is as close to 100% skill (more often lack thereof) as possible. The weaker the player, however, the more the game appears to be decided by luck.

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BigChessplayer665
ChessAGC_YT wrote:

skill beats luck, luck is a concept not a proven fact it's a cliche that you are stale enough to believe.

actually its skill with a tad bit of getting lucky unfortunately at least for humans unless you don't guess every single move every single game or get tunnel vision then sure chess doesn't involve luck

OctopusOnSteroids

Two gentlemen got some or all their posts deleted. Did they get muted? probably deserved

mpaetz

Just back after a months-long ban and he's gone again. This time he's taken someone with him.

BigChessplayer665

He took dio

OctopusOnSteroids

Dio was asking for it. Incidentally he bragged just yesterday how he knows the rules perfectly and has never been muted. Maybe this serves a lesson for both to not take up half the discussion for personal disputes.

2008Angel

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BigChessplayer665
OctopusOnSteroids wrote:

Dio was asking for it. Incidentally he bragged just yesterday how he knows the rules perfectly and has never been muted. Maybe this serves a lesson for both to not take up half the discussion for personal disputes.

He usually doesn't get muted maybe a mod saw that and staff decided to get petty

AGC-Gambit_YT

What happened here?

playerafar

Dio got muted too?
That's unfortunate. Pun not intended.
Dio is very hard on trolling people.
And deserves more credit for it. Is under-appreciated.
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Regarding 'luck'' in chess ... well its time to make another post.

AGC-Gambit_YT

YESSIR, he was mid, L, trolls suck tho. If you're seeing this on alt account Dio, change your ways pls.

AGC-Gambit_YT
Chrisget8789 wrote:
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
Chrisget8789 wrote:

it's simply what you know that justifies you

what are you talking about. Justifies what?

I'm not here to argue on comment , I think you're pretty young .if you don't know what I mean by JUSTIFY then let it sly

Give us context if you're too slow too understand that, then you're the young one.

AGC-Gambit_YT

He's not banned, I checked his account

playerafar

For certain definitions of 'luck' and of 'chess' what is the strongest case for there being no 'luck' in chess.
First - try to think of situations outside chess where there's 'no luck involved'.
Various mathematical situations come to mind.
Consider a sum. 35 + 36. Adds up to 61.
Mathematics. Elementary mathematics.
The fact that the sum is 61 isn't 'lucky'. Its simply a fact.
Now consider chess positions as 'mathematical situations'.
If a position has a mate in five for the side to move - that again is not 'luck' that that situation exists. If we regard the position as a mathematcial situation.
Just a position. White and black pieces. Chessboard.
Or - a chess position as data.
In various math and data situations there's no luck involved.
They just objectively 'are'.
Somebody got paid because they caused the position to occur?
The position itself can't be 'paid'.
The number pi can't be paid. You can't do it.
It can't suffer bereavement. Or have a big dentist's bill.
Pi itself has no subjectives. It is what it is. With no spinach.
So is a program for a computer.
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Same with a chess 'position'.
So there's an argument for 'no luck in chess'
if the word 'chess' is simply regarded as referring to a big array of chess positions.
Is that what Dio was trying to suggest? I'm not sure.