Is there such thing as "luck" in chess?

Honestly, @ibrust might be the single biggest douchebag on this entire site. and that is actually quite an achievement!

Go to bed sweetpea.

@Tempetown
the two of them (names beginning with i and O) will try to pull you in and try to bait you to use the words they use like 'moron' and 'insane' to try to get you in trouble with the staff.
Its an odd situation because even though I disagree with you about 'luck in chess' you're the good guy in this because of their constant habit of claiming 'superiority' which ironically makes them both inferior. To everyone else.
Neither of them know how to disagree properly and will troll people who disagree with them. Because of the disagreement.
Neither of them perhaps - will ever catch on to their blunder.
Year in year out.

I appreciate your support. We can politely agree to disagree on any topic. but @optimisses and @ibrust, not so much.

OMG! Are you serious? Arent you smart enough to know you can get banned for that comment?

No. The Guy has him beat.
But the worst trolling people are not in the public forums.
They're in the clubs on the websites - afraid of the fair-minded moderators in the public forums.
The clubs that are permissive in what they allow to be discussed appear to be all corrupt. With very biased club owners and/or admin teams.
Most clubs simply don't allow the more sensitive subjects. It gets too hot.

keep digging, dude. maybe you will get to china!

If I'm truly honest I don't think anyone is exactly covering themselves in glory right now. But you get this rather a lot in Chess discourse, I've seen. Everyone needs to be seen as the smartest person in the room, and put them all in the same room and the result is often not pretty.

Maybe just relax, this discussion (which, just to remind, is about the concept of luck in chess, not ... say a murder someone did) is not particularly high stakes. It's kind of an idle semantic amusement, at best. Interesting maybe, but not really... important. It's a weird thing to hurl insults over for hours, and a very weird thing to go rooting around in people's linkedin profiles over.

"Everyone needs to be seen as the smartest person in the room"
No. Not everyone.
Very few in fact.
With one particular person having that problem very severely and for ten years now. He'll always try and claim its somebody else though. Its called projection.

You must --surely-- understand that I meant 'everyone' in the colloquial sense of 'lots of people'. I disagree with your assessment of 'very few' people. I've been a part of many communities and am fairly new to Chess, but in the few months I've been around I've never seen so many people in such a hurry to try and prove how smart they are (or how smart someone else isn't), and what's carried on in this thread for the past couple of hours is a perfect illustration of that. It's blown so out of proportion. It can't just be that someone has different ideas, no it has to be that they're fundamentally stupid or inferior, and for what? An interesting but ultimately trivial conversation about luck.
I hope that spending a longer time here will prove me wrong and I'm sure there are loads of people in Chess who aren't like this at all, but right now this is just an embarrassing fight we're seeing, nobody should be proud of this.

Agreed. But for everyone that actually IS the smartest person in the room, many others are of the false notion that they are the one. YOU fit into this second category.

If your opponent blunders, that's not a reflection of your skill. That is a reflection of your luck.

nope. its not luck. it is your OPPONENT's relative Lack of skill

Not really, because they can blunder just as easily against a baby as they can against a gm. A blunder is a blunder. It doesn't reflect your skill at all, so it can't reflect any "relativity" between the skills. It's just bad play on their part, doesn't reflect on your skill at all.

nope. really. if you beat someone who blundered it is because you were more skillful in the game than he was. luck has nothing to do with it

i never said you opponents blunder reflects on you skill, i said it reflects on HIS

What if the person you are playing is distracted because she just received a cancer diagnosis. Does that mean she is less skillful than you?

So whether you win a game or not has a lot to do with things that don't reflect on your skill level, is that right?

many players play less skillfully than they are capable for any number of reasons. but again, that is not luck. its skill--or lack thereof.

read my post # 5529. see if that makes sense