Is there such thing as "luck" in chess?

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Conquistador
theoreticalboy wrote:

Yes but the last one has just been doing exactly the same as the one before him, so they pretty much count as one performance.

(O, those glorious Eccleston days...)

Finally!  Someone who appreciates the guy (or at least remember him).  I mean, he was the guy who started the reboot of the series.

As far as my preferences go 4>9>and everyone else is fairly close (I cannot rate some of the older doctors as it is really hard to find episodes with them for free).

DrSpudnik
nameno1had wrote:
Conquistador wrote:
nameno1had wrote:

For me, saying everything is due to fate, causes me to conlude there can't be any right or wrong. If you can't escape your fate of wrong doing, how could you be rightly then held accountable? Certainly we can, because our fate is in our hands to some degree.

Ok I'll bite knowing that I shouldn't (this is somewhat interesting).

Your conclusion only holds if you assume that everything is due to fate without any influence of the individual and also assume that there is only one path to reach the event predetermined by fate.  I ask you this: what if an event is predetermined through fate, but has multiple paths to get to that point?  Then the idea of right or wrong still applies depending on the path the individual takes.

Okay enough of the philosophical and back to chess.

If you look at fate as inescapable predestination with no ability for us to chose what the parts of it's sum shall be, then my statement holds water.

If you look at it as, what happens to you is your fate, though you could have avoided it, then what I am saying still holds water and you need to go back and tell the other guy he did a inadequate job of wording his statement.

I stand by what I said. If you can't escape what is considered wrong by society, how are you liable? I have free will and know I am basically in control of what happens to me.

No. There's nothing else you could have written here. Just as when you "choose" the wrong move and blunder into the inevitable loss, that was all you could have done at that time. I can't imagine any other outcome. So you think you control your life and you're possessed of free will, but is there any other outcome you could have had? All roads lead to right where you are now. No sense in fussing over it.

nameno1had
DrSpudnik wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
Conquistador wrote:
nameno1had wrote:

For me, saying everything is due to fate, causes me to conlude there can't be any right or wrong. If you can't escape your fate of wrong doing, how could you be rightly then held accountable? Certainly we can, because our fate is in our hands to some degree.

Ok I'll bite knowing that I shouldn't (this is somewhat interesting).

Your conclusion only holds if you assume that everything is due to fate without any influence of the individual and also assume that there is only one path to reach the event predetermined by fate.  I ask you this: what if an event is predetermined through fate, but has multiple paths to get to that point?  Then the idea of right or wrong still applies depending on the path the individual takes.

Okay enough of the philosophical and back to chess.

If you look at fate as inescapable predestination with no ability for us to chose what the parts of it's sum shall be, then my statement holds water.

If you look at it as, what happens to you is your fate, though you could have avoided it, then what I am saying still holds water and you need to go back and tell the other guy he did a inadequate job of wording his statement.

I stand by what I said. If you can't escape what is considered wrong by society, how are you liable? I have free will and know I am basically in control of what happens to me.

No. There's nothing else you could have written here. Just as when you "choose" the wrong move and blunder into the inevitable loss, that was all you could have done at that time. I can't imagine any other outcome. So you think you control your life and you're possessed of free will, but is there any other outcome you could have had? All roads lead to right where you are now. No sense in fussing over it.

If that is the case then, do you believe the parts of your destiny that you can't control are controlled by an intelligent entity? random natural forces? what, enlighten me...

AlCzervik
DrSpudnik wrote:

Next we'll handle time travel conundrums and the Star Trek perplex.

Can't wait!

AndyClifton

Ah, more Philosophy 100 wordgames.  Thanks for the memories...

AndyClifton
Conquistador wrote:
theoreticalboy wrote:

(O, those glorious Eccleston days...)

Finally!  Someone who appreciates the guy (or at least remember him). 

Actually, I remember the guy more from this:

Conquistador

AlCzervik

Nameo. Many of us have tried to show you the error in many of your statements. Instead of trying to understand what others write (often sarcasm), you respond in a matter of moments reacting defensively.

Your enemy is you.

DrSpudnik
nameno1had wrote:

If that is the case then, do you believe the parts of your destiny that you can't control are controlled by an intelligent entity? random natural forces? what, enlighten me...

I don't claim to know if there is some intelligent "other" pulling strings or anything, but the outcomes are all fixed. The game is rigged. The longer you live, the more you can look back and see that there really was only one road.

theoreticalboy

I don't really care about Doctor Who, but Eccleston is a totally legit actor, and the nuances he imparted to the role were far greater than for Tennant and Tennant-lite.

theoreticalboy

(also less-than-enthused about this snorefest of a philosophical debate)

Conquistador

There is one road, yet there are many shortcuts and detours along the road.  It isn't necessarily the destination, but the journey.

Anyways, I don't like the latest seasons with the new doctor as much as the older seasons.  I think the season long arc takes away from the fun of stand alone episodes or three part series.  Despite that statement, I think the new recent seasons have been unpredictable and exciting with the writing of Stephen Moffat.

AndyClifton

Uh-oh, looks like Spudnik's chicken is starting to turn into this:

AndyClifton

(Say, I wonder if Spudnik's chicken is like Schroedinger's cat?)

Conquistador

What does Schroedinger say about this?

AlCzervik
DrSpudnik wrote:
nameno1had wrote:

If that is the case then, do you believe the parts of your destiny that you can't control are controlled by an intelligent entity? random natural forces? what, enlighten me...

I don't claim to know if there is some intelligent "other" pulling strings or anything, but the outcomes are all fixed. The game is rigged. The longer you live, the more you can look back and see that there really was only one road.

Too good.

DrSpudnik

Zen and the art of chicken maintenance!

nameno1had

DrSpudnik wrote:

nameno1had wrote:

If that is the case then, do you believe the parts of your destiny that you can't control are controlled by an intelligent entity? random natural forces? what, enlighten me...

I don't claim to know if there is some intelligent "other" pulling strings or anything, but the outcomes are all fixed. The game is rigged. The longer you live, the more you can look back and see that there really was only one road.

I find repetition and variation. If I could hear you say your posts and or see you speak them, I would know if you or anyone was serious. I love how if I were to react as if it is a joke, then the person is serious. If I take it seriously, then it was a joke. This trolling tactic doesn't give you victory over the truths I state. You can live in denial of your fate, but it is immutable.

DrSpudnik

There is no trolling tactic involved. Just think: could you have written anything else? I don't think so.

I find that everything is the same until something important happens. Usually nothing important happens. When you look at the important moment, you see that it pretty much was coming. The other petty details of our lives--whether I have a danish or oatmeal for breakfast--are unimportant, but also look pretty much set when viewed in the rear-view mirror of time.

nameno1had

DrSpudnik wrote:

There is no trolling tactic involved. Just think: could you have written anything else? I don't think so.

I find that everything is the same until something important happens. Usually nothing important happens. When you look at the important moment, you see that it pretty much was coming. The other petty details of our lives--whether I have a danish or oatmeal for breakfast--are unimportant, but also look pretty much set when viewed in the rear-view mirror of time.

I can see why in retrospect you'd say that. However, do you say to yourself that, I shouldn't waste time planning anything because I can't have a hand in the outcome of your fate

I'll change gears a bit and stick to chess. Have you ever been unable to determine your best move for sure in a game? I have and when in doubt, I guessed and pushed a pawn. I got lucky. It was my best move. My skill level was unable to provide me not needing to be lucky. It was my fate, but I could have been unlucky and picked some other move.