It's cheating, plain and simple. Live chess is designed to mirror OTB as much as possible. Online chess is designed to emulate correspondence chess. Different rules apply. Let me get a link:
https://support.chess.com/customer/portal/articles/1444774-what-are-the-rules-for-playing-
Wow, did not know that. Surprised.
It is cheating because it is defined by Chess.com that way. Morally, I didnt really think it was.
I'm kind of bummed because it was helping me refresh my openings.
That's what correspondence chess is for. Some have taken offense when I've referred to it as "training wheels" chess, but I think it's an apt description. You get to research your openings, see what the typical plans are by reviewing master games, and use an analysis board to your heart's content.
BTW it's not just chess.com that prohibits reference tools or outside aid during a "live" game. Every site does, unless you're playing correspondence games.
It is cheating because it is defined by Chess.com that way. Morally, I didnt really think it was.
In games (which are by definition artificial, i.e. made by humans) what is moral is partly (at least) defined by the rules of the game, including the rules made by chess.com (if we play chess on this server). Your opponents (well, most of them) would not use any support, which would make an unwelcome assymetry.
If both you and your opponent use outside help, doesn't it become a game of double solitaire?
That's what correspondence chess is for. Some have taken offense when I've referred to it as "training wheels" chess, but I think it's an apt description. You get to research your openings, see what the typical plans are by reviewing master games, and use an analysis board to your heart's content.
BTW it's not just chess.com that prohibits reference tools or outside aid during a "live" game. Every site does, unless you're playing correspondence games.
+1
yes it's cheating, it's like using the litterature in an exam even if you are not allowed to
Seems to me that the best use of your book, 365chess, etc. would be for reviewing a game you have completed. If you win the game you don't need to review it; you already know that stuff. It's the games you lose that have something to teach you.
To be honest I review both won and lost games. You can learn just as much from a game you won than a game you lost
Is it legal to use computers, books , GM-friends or another help in live chess on chess.com if the two players have agreed upon it before start?
Pretty sure its not - after all, its standard to use em in Online mode. The only real difference is that in Live, the time it takes to use em makes it generally not worthwhile.
I do it more to learn/refresh myself on openings, not so much to help with performance. Since I play 5/2, I'm not sure whether looking at a book or 365Chess helps or hurts.
It is, certainly, cheating in live chess, whether online or OTB.
I think there are different rules for correspondence chess. Some sites even allow the use of engines, which is why I don't consider correspondence chess to be real chess. It is also quite telling that most Correspondence World Champions these have an OTB rating of around 2100.
. Some sites even allow the use of engines, which is why I don't consider correspondence chess to be real chess. It is also quite telling that most Correspondence World Champions these have an OTB rating of around 2100.
To me correspondence chess is very real, and a fine way to learn chess.
I have never tried computerized correspondence, but there is reason to believe that a symbiose of a human and maybe three computerengines can take chess to a deeper level, and create more interesting games.
It is different from otb-chess, but it is chess.
My ambition is to improve otb, maybe that means that computer assisted correspondence is at learning tool I will try in the future. Time will tell.
Ha, I get it already, dont need 10 people saying the same thing.
I prefer to think that I inadvertently violated a rule, not that I inadvertently cheated. To me, cheating implies knowingly pursuing an unfair advantage, and the brief time I tried this out, I didnt gain any rating points (likely because I play 5/2...I'm sure it would be good for rating gain at a longer tc). So there was no unfair advantage.
Is it legal to use computers, books , GM-friends or another help in live chess on chess.com if the two players have agreed upon it before start?
It certainly is, provided that the title of the game explicitly mentions external help, and the game(s) is/are unrated.
"I prefer to think that I inadvertently violated a rule, not that I inadvertently cheated." Do you think the IRS would buy that? Just wondering.
That's what correspondence chess is for. Some have taken offense when I've referred to it as "training wheels" chess, but I think it's an apt description. You get to research your openings, see what the typical plans are by reviewing master games, and use an analysis board to your heart's content.
BTW it's not just chess.com that prohibits reference tools or outside aid during a "live" game. Every site does, unless you're playing correspondence games.
I don't take offense at your "training wheels" metaphor, but I do think that it represents appaling ignorance on your part.
I have written about this topic at some length on my Chess Skills blog. You might read, for example, http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2009/01/playing-with-databases.html.
Pretty sure its not - after all, its standard to use em in Online mode. The only real difference is that in Live, the time it takes to use em makes it generally not worthwhile.
I do it more to learn/refresh myself on openings, not so much to help with performance. Since I play 5/2, I'm not sure whether looking at a book or 365Chess helps or hurts.
I'll say this. I often have a rating-destructive urge to mess around with openings I dont understand in speed chess, and using 365chess allows me to do this without the standard rating penalty I take when doing this. So in that sense, it does help.