It seems like an interesting position but I can't see anything close to a solution
Jacob Aagaard's Calculation: somebody who wants to work with me through the book?
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What about Qa4? It removes the queen from attack. After white makes some move we then play Nb3 then white plays Nxb3, no other option and we capture the queen.
Oct 28, 2017
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#25
Grandmaster Preparation: Calculation, in my opinion, is a good book, but not one for those just starting on calculation. As it says in the introduction, the book is for those people who have a solid grounding in basic calculation. It has a chapter for each calculation type. The intro is not the main instructional part, the problems are. The examples are just to get you interested.
I will not spoil the problems (or book) for you, but I'll let you know that some of the positions are extremely difficult and most are solvable, but all are interesting. Keep at it.
Oct 28, 2017
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#26
It could be cool if we could have a whole new sub forum for such book discussions. Is it possible to request such ?
thanks for the heads up ecm. we'll do our best
cool. let's do that.
I think fun is the key to learning, So many chess players all wearing jaggy nettle underpants and flagellating themselves with Dvoretsky and Aagard books. Maybe its a masochistic game, I dunno.
Oct 28, 2017
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DeirdreSkye wrote:
Maybe we can make a group for the study of the book.It's not a good idea to do it in public forum(I think).
Yes, I will start a club and will let you know soon.
Oct 28, 2017
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#31
torrubirubi wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Maybe we can make a group for the study of the book.It's not a good idea to do it in public forum(I think).
Yes, I will start a club and will let you know soon.
Great!
DeirdreSkye wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:
I think fun is the key to learning, So many chess players all wearing jaggy nettle underpants and flagellating themselves with Dvoretsky and Aagard books. Maybe its a masochistic game, I dunno.
Do you know what else many chessplayers do?
Look themselves in the mirror and believe that everyone is like them.
Yes they study impossible tactics while wearing jaggy nettle underpants and thrash themselves soundly with books by Aagard and Dvoretsky, I suspect that's why many appear so unhappy.
Its all a room full of mirrors, even for you.
look at this hard tactic from the European team championships, Beliavsky with white, Vitiugov with black. Black to play.
Oct 28, 2017
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#35
This thread has brought a question to mind. That is: is there really much difference between what people call "calculation" and "tactics" here in this forum and even most of what I see in chess books and on chess.com? Tactics is really just a very large and important subset of calculation, defensive calculation the other part and is largely ignored because it is not "glamorous". Also, if one calculates correctly they will see the tactic but not necessarily any long term strategy or plan which is the other important part of the game.
Count me in. I've had the book for about 2 years and haven't bothered to open it up and take a crack at it. This might just be what makes me want to work on the book.
I will work through "Simple Chess" if anyone wants to do that. It has the virtue of being short & is a modern classic.
Oct 28, 2017
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#38
edguitarock wrote:
I will work through "Simple Chess" if anyone wants to do that. It has the virtue of being short & is a modern classic.
We have a discussion about which book on strategy we would like to work with, and Simple Chess is on the list (I like the book, and I am already working with it, although not so consequently as I should).
Go here:
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/i-would-like-to-improve-strategical-play-choose-on-of-following-books?page=1#last_comment
If you know this and some other positions of the first chapter, post your comments you wrote down when you did the exercise (Aagaard tell us to write down, so we will do this). You have to spend at least 30 minutes on the exercise. I suggest to put the position on a physical board. If you are rather strong in calculation, don't move the figures, calculate and write down what do you see or not see. Let's try what good players do, they try to solve problems like this as they would play a real game in a tournament. We have the advantage that we know what there is something in this position, so we are sure that it is worth to invest a lot of time to find the right continuation. Don't post the solution yet!!!!!!!!!! We give the people time to work on the position.
I saw already once this position, and I remember that I was frustrated not find the solution. This was some months ago, and I forgot already the solution, so I gave a try again.
In a real game I would take the quality back, I am 100 % sure about this. And after thinking one hour on the position, I became extremely frustrated to see that I was not able to find any interesting continuation., and I still would take the quality, even knowing that this is not a string move (I know that the author are giving me an interesting position to solve).
No sacrifices, no promising exchanges, absolutely nothing. I know that the position is crying for a discover attack on the queen, and that this has to do with attacking the King with the N on b3, even a beginner would see this in seconds. But after 1 ...Nb3? 2. Nxb3 my Q is attacked, my rook is attacked, and I am losing material. I did not try to calculate much 1...Bb3 or 1...b3, as they obviously doesn't work. Move the rook? But why, as he is wonderfully placed to attack the Queen?
I went again through the candidates, this time moving the figures on the board.,Nothing, I am frustrated and I would like to cry, but I am in a restaurant, so...I checked out if I could make some wild nonsense sacrifices, but they were all nonsense.
I feel empty and I am again aware of my lack of talent...
I gave up, looked at the solution on p. 19, and now I understand why strong players like Aagaard's books: the guy has a sadistic side, really, he knows that a lot of people will struggle with the position, and he knows that the solution is simple, VERY simple!!! The solution is actually ridiculous because it is directly related to the problem black would have if he would so stupid to play 1...Nb3??