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2100 FIDE is close to 2200 USCF, yes.

But you can't get a USCF title from FIDE ... Plus I don't recall where this player was from. This was a few years ago.

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You can get an NM title from USCF not from FIDE. Lowest fide title is CM which is 2200 which is stronger than an Nm

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I think you could beat prefen bro he's probably out of practice. He's got alot of rust if he lost 300 elo.

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I still think it is hard, because he knows more than me in every part of the game, so I need to hope for mistakes most likely.

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MaetsNori hat geschrieben:

2100 FIDE is close to 2200 USCF, yes.

But you can't get a USCF title from FIDE ... Plus I don't recall where this player was from. This was a few years ago.

ok, thanks. I only played national games in Germany and Japan and there is no NM titlehappy.png

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I do not understand how you think you would lose if he's roughly NM strength right now and you did preparation you should be able to beat him if your 2500+ blitz and didn't cheat your rating shouldn't be far off from that unless your some insane outlier which is possible but unlikely. That's what preparation is for. He hasn't been at his peak since like 2015.

You can look for yourself here:

https://ratings.fide.com/profile/4200420/chart

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Being an NM makes you 2500+ in blitz, having 2500+ blitz does not make you an NM.
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MaetsNori wrote:

Be curious. Explore and learn.

As a GM once said (and I'm paraphrasing): you should spend more time analyzing a game than you did playing it ... otherwise, you're missing things.

Sure wish I had done this decades ago.

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I have known 1700 OTB players who were 2200 in speed chess. But they remained 1700 in classical tournaments. Why? Speed chess rewards 2- and 3-move tactical cheapos. Those work in speed chess. But they are a very superficial way to play. And they don’t work OTB against decent opponents.

If you want to become a master, try to acquire the characteristics of a master—positional understanding, endgame technique, middlegame planning, etc. Playing superficial chess fast does not make you a master.

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mikewier wrote:

I have known 1700 OTB players who were 2200 in speed chess. But they remained 1700 in classical tournaments. Why? Speed chess rewards 2- and 3-move tactical cheapos. Those work in speed chess. But they are a very superficial way to play. And they don’t work OTB against decent opponents.

If you want to become a master, try to acquire the characteristics of a master—positional understanding, endgame technique, middlegame planning, etc. Playing superficial chess fast does not make you a master.

I mean if you want we can play a classical online game I am reasonably confident I can win even if your an NM or not. Of course you need to master everything but I think dismissing blitz by itself ignores the merit of the format. Superficial chess is still chess and the only difference is the level of calculation and the more positional nature of chess. I'll gladly play you on lichess on its classical format assuming fair play is followed. Your assumingna 2000+ player wouldn't train calculation but only practice blitz. A 2200 blitz but 1700 fide standard is incredibly rare disparity. It's probably more like to be 1950 to 2000

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SSGOKU31 wrote:
exceptionalfork wrote:
SSGOKU31 wrote:

Ofcourse blitz is not comparable but that is the estimated range to get a reasonable elo OTB.

Not necessarily. Your data shows that National Masters tend to be between 2300 and 2600, which sounds accurate, but that doesn't mean being 2400 blitz should get you to that level OTB. As you said earlier, there are outliers... and if you spend a lot of time simply focusing on blitz instead of other aspects of the game, you're likely to be one of those outliers by becoming really good at blitz while your slower/OTB chess is more stagnant.

I mean not really I've already beaten 1900's already in OTB. I am just not gonna play until i am insanely strong. Your assuming that blitz has very little to no correlatory value to OTB which I think most people would agree is not true. If that was the case you could be 3000 blitz and only be 1500 fide which is nonesense. Most GMs are 2750 to 3000 and that rating pattern is consistent.

I've looked over your rating your about 2181 which would put you around 1800 ish to 2000 ish range depending on your level. Anna cramling is about 2200, alexandra botez is about 2300 ish to 2200 and correlates very heavily to her fide elo. An NM is about 300 points stronger still so I think it's a good assessment.

Again, I am not saying there is no correlation, but that the correlation is more often the other way around. @Fet put it more simply. If you are capable of becoming NM, you will probably be quite good at blitz, but being good at blitz doesn't necessarily make you NM-level OTB.

I will give an example between two friends of mine. One friend of mine is currently rated 2090 USCF. I will say that he is probably a bit underrated because he does not play in many tournaments. However, he has played over 20,000 online blitz games, in which is rating typically hovers around 2700-2800. If we use this as a direct correlation to OTB chess, he should at least be the strength of someone with a FIDE title, no? However, when he plays another friend of mine, who is a FIDE CM that is about 2300 USCF and only 2600 blitz, the 2090 USCF loses in serious chess almost every time.

Why? Well, the 2090 has spent an enormous amount of time playing blitz chess, and has naturally become very good at it, but his OTB/longer time control skill level has lagged behind a bit because he pretty much only plays speed chess. His blitz skill simply doesn't directly correlate to his OTB strength. Meanwhile, the FIDE CM has had a well-rounded approach to improvement that focuses more on the important parts of OTB chess, and is much better in OTB even though his blitz is lower.

I'm not suggesting quitting blitz chess. I just think you should make sure not to worry too much about the correlation between a high blitz rating and the NM title, because spending all of your time getting a strong blitz rating will probably not get you what you want over the board.