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Kasparov arrested!
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Aug 17, 2012
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i have heard that he was only observing so why did they arresst him?
Sickening. Looks like he was being beaten in the back of a van by the hired thugs of the Putin regime. The fact that Putin will not need to provide any sort of plausible explanation for this tells you all you need to know about justice and political freedom in Russia.
Here's the Guardian's live feed from the trial, which covers a bit of Kasparov's arrest (for nothing much, it seems).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/aug/17/pussy-riot-trial-verdict-live?newsfeed=true
Will any leading Western politicians say anything about this at all? A conspiracy of silence or platitudes amounts to support.
I think he was making a speech, but it's difficult to tell. All the news I can find is basically just the video with no details.
Aug 17, 2012
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windows96 wrote:
i have heard that he was only observing so why did they arresst him?
I don't know. But he probably was amongst the other activists + his anti-putin reputation doesn't help him I guess.
Western news usually makes Russia look like an extremely unfair police state, but I'm sure Kasparov could've avoided this situation. Don't worry though, I doubt they will harm him or anything.
Aug 17, 2012
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gabrielconroy wrote:
Sickening. Looks like he was being beaten in the back of a van by the hired thugs of the Putin regime. The fact that Putin will not need to provide any sort of plausible explanation for this tells you all you need to know about justice and political freedom in Russia.
What do you know about Russia? Have you lived there?
I had a conversation with two of my friends, and they could not see why I was so upset, commenting that his arrest in such a fashion is no worse than similar arrests that happen all the time but that I don't get as upset over. All of which is true, until I asked them how they would feel if their favourite DJ (one of them is a music producer) or a writer from Dr. Who (the other is a massive Dr. Who fan) were treated in this fashion. Brings it closer to home when the person this sort of thing happens to is a hero of yours. If you see what I mean.
Aug 17, 2012
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ErrantDeeds wrote:
I had a conversation with two of my friends, and they could not see why I was so upset, commenting that his arrest in such a fashion is no worse than similar arrests that happen all the time but that I don't get as upset over. All of which is true, until I asked them how they would feel if their favourite DJ (one of them is a music producer) or a writer from Dr. Who (the other is a massive Dr. Who fan) were treated in this fashion. Brings it closer to home when the person this sort of thing happens to is a hero of yours. If you see what I mean.
Well said, I was thinking the same.
Hamzathanov wrote:
gabrielconroy wrote:
Sickening. Looks like he was being beaten in the back of a van by the hired thugs of the Putin regime. The fact that Putin will not need to provide any sort of plausible explanation for this tells you all you need to know about justice and political freedom in Russia.
What do you know about Russia? Have you lived there?
Don't you think it is self-evident that when the leader of the political opposition is bundled into the back of a van and seemingly beaten (among a cavalcade of similar judicial absurdities) for nothing that there is something wrong with the political system of a country? I haven't been to the moon, but I know it's there, and what its properties are.
Aug 17, 2012
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gabrielconroy wrote:
Hamzathanov wrote:
gabrielconroy wrote:
Sickening. Looks like he was being beaten in the back of a van by the hired thugs of the Putin regime. The fact that Putin will not need to provide any sort of plausible explanation for this tells you all you need to know about justice and political freedom in Russia.
What do you know about Russia? Have you lived there?
Don't you think it is self-evident that when the leader of the political opposition is bundled into the back of a van and seemingly beaten (among a cavalcade of similar judicial absurdities) for nothing that there is something wrong with the political system of a country? I haven't been to the moon, but I know it's there, and what its properties are.
1) Please tell me where you see Kasparov being beaten?
Anyone else see this, because I think I must be blind?
2) How do you know it's for "nothing"?
Please don't make assumptions.
Ah, now this is a bit more info. Kasparov was giving an interview to the press prior to the arrest:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19300149
Read the article I posted, featuring photos and reports from people who were on the scene at the time. I'm not making assumptions. Don't make condescending comments.
The title of the article from the BBC (and the Rock Band Kasparov was supporting) is called "Pussy Riot." That's awesome!
Aug 17, 2012
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gabrielconroy wrote:
Read the article I posted, featuring photos and reports from people who were on the scene at the time. I'm not making assumptions. Don't make condescending comments.
Fair enough, but there's no reason to believe he got beaten. So that is in fact an assumption.
OK, if you want to quibble the meaning of 'beaten' I would say being piled on in the back of a van, forcibly restrained while one guy chokes you with his forearm comes pretty close. If you'd prefer 'violently and apparently unjustifiably restrained' I can go back and edit it in for you.
Aug 17, 2012
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#18
Check this out, more proof that Putin is a Stalin-era thug and tyrant:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/17/world/europe/russia-pussy-riot-trial/
Here's a little more in-depth coverage from the New York Times:
PUSSY RIOT!
Aug 17, 2012
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-kenpo- wrote:
silence or platitudes amounts to support.
either support or powerlessness.
in any case it's not like western governments aren't violating the human and civil rights of their own populations in equally disgusting manners. you just don't hear about it. and if you do hear something, it's just a bunch of bs and not what really is going on.
in my view, it's kind of like russians are more honest or upfront about things and don't go to such involved extents to pretend that the majority of the people actually have any power or say like they do in some countries. it's not like elections anywhere else really mean anything either.
WRONG - maybe YOU don't hear about what's really going on in the US, but the truth is available from Amy Goodman (PBS), Jim Hightower's newsletter and website, The Nation magazine (in print continuously since 1865), Mother Jones magazine, the American Civil Liberties Union, Common Cause, Public Citizen, Union of Concerned Scientists, The New York Times newspaper (most of the time) and Noam Chomsky pointed out The Wall St Journal is a great source of genuine news
As for the majority of people not having ANY power or say in their govt maybe that's true in Brazil but it's far from true in the US regardless of your ignorant opinion on the matter
The Infamy!!!!
Dragged away like a piece of meat!
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/video/russia-detains-activist-chess-player-144551487.html