Kasparov Greatest Player of all times?
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beardogjones wrote:
Anand should not be left out of these discussions.
I think it's safe to leave Anand out of the discussion
pipepr wrote:
CrecyWar wrote:
TomBreakfast wrote:
I think Kasparov was a very good chess player and is up there with the best. however I think Bobby Fischer is better even though Kasparov in terms of fide ratings is the best player in the world ever! Overall Fischer is better but Kasparov is in a close second.
Bobby Fischer is the best chess player of all time!
Fischer had a higher winning % against peers, about 70% .... Kasparov was in the 60's% , but it was close like 70% to 68 % ...I can't remember the exact numbers.
if i win 100% of my games it doesnt means im better than fischer or kasparov
many people who think fisches was the best player say that but the % of win or fide rating doent matter i think is about who you beat, fischer play against lower raiting player than kasparov. his high rating opponent was spassky (spassky
Yes, the win percentage argument is dubious since there existed no super tournaments in the days of Fischer. In some of the tournaments he won none of his opponents were in the top 100 (Netanya 1968). If Fischer had played similar fields, and 144 match games against Karpov, his win percentage would be much lower.
chrisr2212 wrote:
dunno why anyone bothers comparing across generations. if the first karpov-kasparov match was the best of 32 games, it would have been an interesting result.
Karpov at his best might have won against a 21-year-old Kasparov but he didn't win any of their matches and in all the tournaments they played after Kasparov's teens Karpov finished ahead at one single occasion when he scored the best result of his career (Linares 1994). So it's not as if a different result between the two in 1984 would have made Karpov's results better than Kasparov's on the whole.
Feb 25, 2012
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People should throw away their misplaced national pride and be objective.
Arjunatopeka wrote:
People should throw away their misplaced national pride and be objective.
Totally agree.
Alessandre wrote:
I agree with TomBreakfast. Fischer is number one, Kasparov is second, third is Karpov, and the 4th place is open for the taking.
Totally agree with your list BTW my fourth is Capablanca!
You must see the player in relationship with opponents in her livetime. Maybe kasparov is the best player of all times at this moment, but he could learn from her predecessors and engines. In 20 years the top-players have a rating over elo 2900, maybe 3000 and kasparov is one of many.
Ruy1Lopez wrote:
In 20 years the top-players have a rating over elo 2900, maybe 3000 and kasparov is one of many.
If rating is what counts, yes, but one can't just compare ratings. It's another thing if a player 20 years from now can finish first in every event ten years in a row and be the strongest player in the world 20 years in a row, like Kasparov, than if he can reach a certain rating. And I don't think the rating inflation is going that fast. In 1972 #1 was 2785, in 2007 he was 2783, so I don't think 2900-3000 will be possible in a very long time.
fabelhaft wrote:
Ruy1Lopez wrote:
In 20 years the top-players have a rating over elo 2900, maybe 3000 and kasparov is one of many.
If rating is what counts, yes, but one can't just compare ratings. It's another thing if a player 20 years from now can finish first in every event ten years in a row and be the strongest player in the world 20 years in a row, like Kasparov, than if he can reach a certain rating. And I don't think the rating inflation is going that fast. In 1972 #1 was 2785, in 2007 he was 2783, so I don't think 2900-3000 will be possible in a very long time.
I think now and in the future the humans learning from the engines. Look to the improving results in this area.There isstill a lot of possible.
Arctor wrote:
beardogjones wrote:
If Fischer played those ICC games, why was it he was not exceptionally strong
in 1992?
It's useless to reason with these people
It can be, however, quite funny.
kasparov is the greatest player of all time
Mashall ,Frank james
Morphy
Fischer
Kasparov
...and all of them died((except kasparov)) Oh The life is boring without my friends :)))
Mar 15, 2012
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Kingpatzer wrote:
ivanx00 wrote:
daw55124 wrote:
ivanx00 wrote:Kasparov defended the #1 spot in chess successfully for 13 years. 13 years!!! He battled it out with #1 contender no matter who it was.
I love these fact based debates.
You are right, it was 15 and not 13. Although many folks will argue that since he formed the PCA in 1993 he should only be considered WCC for 8 years. Still, the fact remains, he defended his title and didn't hide from his opponents like Fisher did.
He did not play Shirov, who earned the right to play him.
He choose to play Kramnik when Anand was the #2 player in the world.
Tell me again about how he defended his title and didn't hide from his opponents.
Easy. Kasparov is +17 vs. Shirov. Fischer never even played Karpov a single time.
Kasparov played Karpov numerous times, Short, Anand, and Kramnik.
At least Kasparov played Shirov. Fischer wouldn't even play Karpov once!
I don't think coolness has applied to that question for quite a while.
I wonder who would have won between Karpov and Kasparov if they had played without adjournments. I think Kasparov's weakness in the endgame might have told if he had to figure them out himself, instead of avoiding making any critical decisions until he reached adjournment and letting his seconds figure it out. It would have taken only a few wins in Karpov's favor. At any rate the K vs. K rivalry is one of the best ever.
You'll have a tough time getting me to believe that Kasparov had a perceptible weakness in the endgame. Especially having played so many "training" games against Mr Endgame himself.
jo90way wrote:
I have a question ?
Who is stronger Kasparov or PaulMorphy ?
Regards
If you guess right .... & you tell me why also ...
you are really cool !!!
I figure if Morphy with his talent, had been born in our time, it would have been close.
Czech GM Miroslav Filip dies at 80
03.05.2009 – At six foot nine inches Miroslav Filip was an imposing presence at the chess board. But he became a world force in the 50s and 60s, represented his country in 12 consecutive Chess Olympiads and inflicted defeat on no fewer than three world champions (Euwe, Smyslov and Tal). Filip was born in Prague on October 27, 1928, and died there on April 27, 2009. Obituary by Raymond Keene.
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It is very difficult to say say who is the greatest, you could say that Kasparov or Fischer are the GOAT but for me it is Bobby! I respect your opinion if you say Kasparov but I think that if they both played at their peak and were both given resources such as the internet- Bobby would be damned near un-drawable even! But all we can say is that it would be an amazing match which could go either way however I would give the slight advantage to Fischer.