Kasparov on the Anand-Kramnik match

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TheOldReb

Kasparov said : " This result ends the illusion that Kramnik is a great match player."  His thoughts on the match can be found on www.chessbase.com

erik

ooohhhh. that is brutal! fighting words from a man who no longer fights.

Quix

That's a pretty nasty comment by Kaspy imo. Rubbing salt into the wound. It did become somewhat of a fallacy amongst chess fans that Kramnik was pretty much invincible in matches and part of this may be because kaspaovs struggle against him in the 2000 WC match. Kasparov commented "Kramnik is the hardest player to beat in the world"

I just think that Kramnik is past his prime and if this match was played 5 or even 3 years the way it went would have been very different. Some people say that Kramnik is in poor form but I think he has been showing signs of declining for a while now.

TheOldReb

Kramnik past his prime at age 33 ?  Anand is 4 years older keep in mind. What great player(s) has Kramnik beaten in match play besides Kasparov ? He has lost 4 matches that I know of...... he may have been the hardest man in the world to beat when Kaspy said that but Anand beat him 2 times and twice with black in the first half of the match .  I tend to agree with Kaspy's statement myself.

TheMoonwalker

It might have something to do with that Kasparov and Kramnik are not the best friedns in the world...

immortalgamer

Question to the NM's: Do you think Kasparov will ever return to chess?  He obviously can still play at an extremely high level.  Why not take out Anand who he has such a stellar match rating against?

TheOldReb

Kasparov is successful in business now so I doubt he will return to competitive chess. He is 45 and probably could make a successful comeback if he wanted to and I would like to see him back at the board but I doubt he will.

mschosting

Kasparov always as bad comments on any opponent he had and every defeat he as, just a poor looser lucky for him he is great so did not loose that often :) Just watch his DVDs "My life" where he says something like Karpov is lazy and does not train/study at all thats why he started to decline in an early age. That makes me laugh he still plays for 2600+ and was a world champ, writes books on several chess subjects, made informators, probably did not study 16H day like kasparov did and just does 12h dayLaughing

TheOldReb
erik wrote:

ooohhhh. that is brutal! fighting words from a man who no longer fights.


 True Erik. I imagine Kaspy is still upset that Vlad never gave him another shot and even spent the rest of Kasparov's career avoiding him.

Much_Afraid
Reb wrote:

Kramnik past his prime at age 33 ?  Anand is 4 years older keep in mind. What great player(s) has Kramnik beaten in match play besides Kasparov ? He has lost 4 matches that I know of...... he may have been the hardest man in the world to beat when Kaspy said that but Anand beat him 2 times and twice with black in the first half of the match .  I tend to agree with Kaspy's statement myself.


Kramnik defended his world championship successfully against Topalov in 2006 and Peter Leko the year before.  Still, I'm glad Anand is the new world champion because now the title is completely unified.

immortalgamer

Reminiscent of Alekhine and Capablanca NM REB...Yes?

TheOldReb
Much_Afraid wrote:
Reb wrote:

Kramnik past his prime at age 33 ?  Anand is 4 years older keep in mind. What great player(s) has Kramnik beaten in match play besides Kasparov ? He has lost 4 matches that I know of...... he may have been the hardest man in the world to beat when Kaspy said that but Anand beat him 2 times and twice with black in the first half of the match .  I tend to agree with Kaspy's statement myself.


Kramnik defended his world championship successfully against Topalov in 2006 and Peter Leko the year before.  Still, I'm glad Anand is the new world champion because now the title is completely unified.


 He actually tied the match with Leko but kept the title because he was defending champ and the match with Topalov was also tied and decided by tiebreaks. Ok.so lets give him those two anyway and include the very questionable Kasparov match.....so he won 3 against top players and lost with Shirov, Kamsky, Gelfand and Anand..so where does his invincible as a match player rep come from ? What other matches has he played ?

ozzie_c_cobblepot

Kasparov has his eyes on politics, so any future match would be an exhibition match (e.g. against Karpov, Polgar, <insert computer>)

TheOldReb
immortalgamer wrote:

Reminiscent of Alekhine and Capablanca NM REB...Yes?


 Yes indeed !

ozzie_c_cobblepot

triple-NM-post-streak!

gumpty

There will be a Kasparov-Karpov match for $100 million in the yr 2048, bot h players will be in their 80's and broke....the public would like to see this match, the mighty K's that dominated chess between themselves for decades........the winner will receive a hip replacement operation and a lifetime (lol) supply of mints.....the loser can have his dentures replaced at 50% discount . 

ozzie_c_cobblepot

gumpty, that's just not believable. They will be paid in rubles, not dollars.

Duffer1965

When I read Kasparov's comment, I thought it sounded like sour-grapes. Considering how exceptional Kasparov was/is, it would be nice if he could be more generous to others.

Fonix


Kramnik defended his world championship successfully against Topalov in 2006 and Peter Leko the year before.


Oh yeah. The whole toiletgate thing. That was relatively smooth. Almost as if

kramnik was not receiving his moves via the bathroom stall. Utter professionalism.

TheOldReb
Duffer1965 wrote:

When I read Kasparov's comment, I thought it sounded like sour-grapes. Considering how exceptional Kasparov was/is, it would be nice if he could be more generous to others.


 I think there may be some sour grapes in Kaspy's comment. However I think the sour grapes is more over the fact that Kramnik avoided playing him for the rest of Kasparov's career than the fact that Garry lost their match. A drawn match with Leko ( and didnt Kramnik have to win the last game to draw it?) and then a drawn match with Topalov , which he wins on tie breaks is not that impressive. Such results certainly should NOT give the winner the super match player reputation that Kramnik seemed to enjoy. He lost 4 matches: Kamsky, Shirov, Gelfand, Anand  and he won with : Kasparov, Leko, Topalov.......what other great player did he win against in a match? looks to me like his match record is a losing one unless there are others I am unaware of......