king+queen vs king+bishop+knight

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Avatar of b3nnyhaha

So I was interested in whether a queen vs bishop+knight with no pawns or anything on the board was a draw, so I gave it to an engine, and well I'll just post the picture 

after a little while (getting up to depth 31) the evaluation dropped significantly to M17, but I just had to share the supposed M481 Wink.

Avatar of b3nnyhaha

Ah, thanks for that- I doubt I myself being able to come up with that, but it is certainly imaginable that it could indeed have been solved long before computers ;) 

I'm guessing black just plays back and forth between g8 and h7 with the king in that position, or if the queen plays to h5 then Bishop to the corner?

Avatar of waffllemaster

A pretty fortress, reminding us that even the mighty queen requires support.

Avatar of Oofee1

No, I believe it is like this

 

 



Avatar of TheGreatOogieBoogie

Karstedt's fortress!?  That's a new one even for me.  I definitely have to study that someday.  

Avatar of wolverine96

Very interesting!

Avatar of SuperJasonSuper

While practicing endgames with my friend, he managed to get this fortress when he played the side with bishop and knight. We are both 1200 players

Avatar of Forgetful_Guy

It really depends on the position but generally  speaking, queen > knight and bishop but Queen < rook, knight and bishop.

Avatar of Sogood135367

This is normally a surprisingly easy win. The bishop and knight cannot sustain a permanent barrier to the attacking queen while they are being harassed by the queen, and the winning process is just pushing the defending king to the edge of the board. I played the engine on the 1700 level and I won easily.

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Oofee1 wrote:

No, I believe it is like this

you blundered the queen

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Oofee1 wrote:

No, I believe it is like this

Incredible Fortress. Thanks for sharing this.