Knights vs. Rooks?

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In Endgames, which is better? A Knight or a Rook? Me and my friend kco were playing a game and we arrived at a position where I exchanged both of my Rooks for his Knight and Bishop. I was left with a King, two Knights, and a few Pawns. He was left with a King, two Rooks, and a few Pawns as well. I lost the game pretty badly, but I want to see your opinions and/or games with similiar situation. Well, here is my loss against kco:


 

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On move  20.Nxd6 I was surprise not to see cxd6 instead you went for Rxd6 why not cxd6 ? so you can keep at least a rook and a knight ?

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kco wrote:

On move  20.Nxd6 I was surprise not to see cxd6 instead you went for Rxd6 why not cxd6 ? so you can keep at least a rook and a knight ?


Well, I heard that a long time Knights are better at Endgames compared to most pieces so I decided to test it out in this game. I guess that statement is false and I will never do that ever again. LOL

ADK

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Except in very specific situations (like the possibility of a smothered mate) I can't remember ever thinking "I wish this rook was a knight" in an endgame.

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17...O-O looks like a mistake.

20...cxd6 would have been better, but I see that you wanted to test out that Knight theory of yours so I don't know what to say about that.

24...c5 allows kco access to the open files.

Oh, and swapping Queens is when you really lost the game.

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haha ADK, I find the knight(s) very annoying espeically when they are running around all over the board causing chaos !

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kco wrote:

haha ADK, I find the knight(s) very annoying espeically when they are running around all over the board causing chaos !


Oh yeah, I can't tell you how many times I have been forked with those dreaded Knights. Ironically, they are my favorite pieces in the whole game. : )

ADK

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Here is some of the comments by the chess.com's analysis

  13...Rd8?? better move h4. 14.Qb1 ?? I just want to defend the bishop(b5) better was Ba3.  I made a blunder ? 17.f3?? I just want to deprive of the knight getting to g4. 39...f6 ?? this allow me to promote my pawn. Also is agree with the 20 th move believing is was a mistake better is 20....cxd6

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Knights are generally at their worst in endgame.

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kco wrote:

Here is some of the comments by the chess.com's analysis

  13...Rd8?? better move h4. 14.Qb1 ?? I just want to defend the bishop(b5) better was Ba3.  I made a blunder ? 17.f3?? I just want to deprive of the knight getting to g4. 39...f6 ?? this allow me to promote my pawn. Also is agree with the 20 th move believing is was a mistake better is 20....cxd6


Well, thank you for the chess.com analysis. I think you were supposed to play 17. Ba3 forcing me to play 17...Rd6 to block your attack instead of 17. f3, no?

ADK 

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Knights are especially bad when you have pawns on both sides of the board, like you did. You want something more long range, like a bishop or rook.

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good game.

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Rooks almost always totally dominate knights in the endgame. The only hope to save the game is with pawns on one side.

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I think a pair of rooks is better than a pair of knight ..... as said in a previous post only if there are pawns on one side ... but generally rooks are better than knights in the endgame

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Here is an interesting game that kco found at chessgames.com.
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At 49! Why didn't you take the queen at G5 w/ your pawn?

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StonedEmoKid wrote:

At 49! Why didn't you take the queen at G5 w/ your pawn?


OMG! I did not see that. LOL 

ADK

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ADK wrote:
StonedEmoKid wrote:

At 49! Why didn't you take the queen at G5 w/ your pawn?


OMG! I did not see that. LOL 

ADK


AHHH!!!! That was a game changer!!! Oh... and my two cents. In most scenerios two rooks are worth way more than two knights in an endgame. Correct me if I'm wrong though.   And I agree with... someone earlier in the posts, when you traded queens was when it really started to go downhill.

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ADK wrote:
StonedEmoKid wrote:

At 49! Why didn't you take the queen at G5 w/ your pawn?


OMG! I did not see that. LOL 

ADK


 OMFG haha ROFLMAO !! the note should have said 49.Qg5? Ke4 ??

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kco wrote:
ADK wrote:
StonedEmoKid wrote:

At 49! Why didn't you take the queen at G5 w/ your pawn?


OMG! I did not see that. LOL 

ADK


 OMFG haha ROFLMAO !! the note should have said 49.Qg5? Ke4 ??


Is there any possibility that I could have won if I had seen it?Cool

ADK