Kramnik cheater?

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congofx

I think he is, no evidence to support my claim, but I've had a gut feeling about him ever since toiletgate,

 

I was watching him today, every time he's in a crux, he comes back from the toilet sits down and seems at pains to demonstrate how hard he's thinking. Much gurning and holding head in hands, 20 mins later he finds the miraculous, non intuitive move that the gm commentators always say is extremely difficult to find for human players..

 

Don't get me wrong Kramnik is an extremely strong player. I just suspect his powers have waned and now he's discovered a method of keeping himself at the top of the tree

 

I predict that Krmnik will one day be seen as the lance Armstrong of chess

But like I said its just a hunch, I have no proof

dzikus

How do you know he went to the toilet? Maybe just walked around, had a coffee or so?

I do not believe he would cheat. He is simply one of the greatest players of our time. Top players are able to play like that, the commentators are GMs but not super-GMs so they just cannot imagine that a human might find this counter-intuitive moves. Kramnik admitted at the press conference that he played f5 and Rf6 simply because all other moves seemed bad to him.

Those elite guys are all great in tactics, this is why they have such high ratings and play games which are hard to understand for weaker players. It is not like a 2300 random player suddenly starting to follow Houdini first lines and destroying GMs. Kramnik won a match against Kasparov, something that noone else managed to do. At that time personal computers were not as strong as humans so how comes he defeated one of the greatest tacticians of all time?

Good defenders are always good tacticians. They predict opponent's threats and prevent them. When they get in real trouble, they defend using tactics.

CP6033

I really don't know why you think this. Kramnik was the world champion. He beat Kasparov, he is amazing. Next thing people will be Saying Gelfand and Carlsen are cheating! these guys are amazing! almost computer top level, though of course in tactics computers and better, and they would win matchs big time. That doesn't mean anything. In fact i love chess engines, and i detest chess engines, and not because of cheaters. Because people think of their computer as their hero, and not these amazing players. I find this very frustrating! example i am watching a game Aronian Against Carlsen maybe. Aronian just made a move, and everyone is saying What a bad move by Aronian!! You ask them why and and they say, well look now Carlsen is ahead because he has +0.40 (assuming carlsen was white) but that looks like a good move, it defends really well. No really it is horrible, now Aronian will probably lose. Carlsen moves. See now it's +0.45! he just moved the engine #1. Aronian moves see! now Carlsen is +0.50! Aronian is losing!!! but he is fine positionally why is he losing? because after (long string of moves) and Carlsen has a +0.70 here, so aronian is losing.(I absolutly hate this) anyway all this to say that there is absolutly no way Kramnik cheated. 

pfren

Vlad is one of the strongest players ever, as well as a real gentleman. Please cut the crap if you have no clue.

clunney

Kramnik is one of the greatest players and theoreticians of our time... He has made tremendous contributions to opening theory (The Berlin, that thing all the top players play nowadays), and beat Kasparov (whom many consider the greatest of all time) in a match back when computers were weaker than humans. He held the World Championship Crown for 7 years. Kramnik is an all-time great. It makes watching chess very enjoyable when Kramnik is playing well.

FirebrandX pretty much sums up "toiletgate" perfectly: it made Topalov look bad, NOT Kramnik, whom pretty much every famous chess personality came to the defense of when Topalov put out those baseless accusations. OP, please do a little more research on Kramnik, you will likely change your mind...

congofx

I know it it made topalov look bad...well,it was used to make topolov look bad... It surprised me at the time coz I felt his complaint was legit. Having said that, wasn't topolav himself accused of cheating not long after toiletgate?

To the Greek IM who politely ask me to cut the crap...in defence of 'Vlad'... How about we do it this way? I'll continue to say whatever the hell I want and u can choose not to read it.

I already said I don't have any evidence, its just a feeling I get..

EscherehcsE

Raymond Keene, secret winner of the Tour de France? I can't prove it; It's just a feeling I get. Laughing

pfren
congofx wrote:

To the Greek IM who politely ask me to cut the crap...in defence of 'Vlad'... How about we do it this way? I'll continue to say whatever the hell I want and u can choose not to read it.

Stop reading conspiracy books and articles... it's really that simple.

By the way, being in hell does not cure paranoia.

netzach

Kramnik.

King of the mountains.

Mandy711

FIDE have already investigated toiletgate and judged Kramnik as innocent. The judges' decision is final.

congofx

Conspiracy books and paranoia? What are you the ad-hominem hobo?

clunney

Well... To suggest the accusations that world champion player who is currently number top 5 in the world is actually using computer assistance to cleverly avoid decline is pretty paranoid/conspiracy-theoryesque...

heinzie

Please collect all the concrete evidence you can find during this tournament and show it to us towards the end

congofx

People said the same thing about Lance Armstrong, Carl lewis, Hanse cronje, Stephen Lee, et al. Cycling sycophants everywhere accused everyone who would suggest such a thing as paranoid or delusional in the case of armstrong....they don't want their little hero worship bubble burst....it turns out they were the ones who were paranoid

congofx

heinzie wrote:

Please collect all the concrete evidence you can find during this tournament and show it to us towards the end

Are you hard of reading?

beardogjones

Its clear Kramnik and Carlsen are cheaters - they don't make the same mediocre moves the rest of us do! And further did you ever see Carlsen and Fischer in the same room!

MrDamonSmith

Oh, this is gettin' goooood. In before the lock.

beardogjones
MrDamonSmith wrote:

Oh, this is gettin' goooood. In before the lock.

LOL.

MrDamonSmith

Your avatar got me to look up the Ted movie (the Seth Mcarland movie with Mark Walberg). Now I've seen a few trailers & I've got to see the movie. I'm going to find it now, check back with y'all later!

Ubik42

I am sure kramnik has reformed since tolietgate.