Lichess is a joke compare to Chess.com in terms of rating strength and improvement !

I don't understand people who are saying , that Lichess blitz ratings are harder to achieve, it must be a joke ! 

No matter what level you are it's so much easier to achieve higher ( artificially inflated) blitz rating on Lichess, then Chess.com .

I won so many games just by keeping a knight left , even tho I run out of time , I still won, where's on chess.com it would be a draw and no points given for a win ! 

at lower levels players are less strong but at higher levels players are stronger

That's what I've heard myself many times as well , unfortunately it's a big lie ! I've tried it and done it myself, so I know what I'm talking about.

*im actually croatian

I have a much higher rating on lichess than here, so I understand some of this. I do like playing on lichess, however. And it's maybe because a lot of players here on chess.com play very aggressive chess that's full of traps, while a lot of my games on lichess are quieter. I do like quieter games more, but this site is helping me learn how to play better defense. It's only when I get to the point of successfully defending against sharp/hustle play that I'll consider myself a really good chess player

oh another communist post, nice to see some lichess fans here as well

Lichess is about 370-400 points higher than chess.com. To me, its due to their rating formula using a higher initial rating than chess.com. They have a superiority complex where they think people will face more similar skill if they raise all the ratings up with their glicko-2 rating system (chess.com apparently uses a glicko-1 rating system), but the ratings look just too high there.

Lichess' rating page says "Lichess ratings start at 1500... The Lichess ratings can often be higher than ratings from other systems that start at 1200, such as FIDE or chess.com."

No , not similar at all ! I went 2400+ on lichess and could continue go up , but lost interest because of inconsistency. Some players hang a rook and some just resign. Another thing I don't see any fighting spirit in endgame like on chess.com

2400+ on chess.com is so much harder and people fight till the end.! 

I think it's harder on chess.com, because so many winning positions are DRAWN, where's on Lichess you get a win.

Also more title players on chess.com .

Anyway for me to get better I prefer chess.com stronger and more challenging competition.

I got disappointed in Lichess, especially when people were saying it's harder the higher you go.

You missing a point rating might be similar bUT time, energy, stress, skills etc ... to reach them sooooo much harder on chess.com.

One very simple example I won AT LEAST  two games on Lichess JUST having a knight left!!!! Where's on chess.com I would've gotten a draw and no points at all or some like 1 or 2 .

For me it's opposite from you.

I'm taking it serious on chess.com and barely can achieve 2400+ rating , where's on Lichess I was never serious but then tried it for like couple of days and got 2400+ rating without a sweat, it was easy work , especially as I mentioned before few wins with just knight left. 

Try it for yourself, just try reaching 2400 mark in here , let alone 2450 you will feel the difference.

I also noticed, that pretty much no one or its very rare talk during a game like trash talk , where's here on chess.com soon much trash talk even in 3|0 min games. Do you have similar experience? 

i am glad you used my streamer account and not main account, i am burnt from liga lol

i agree

Lichess is good for analysis and study purpose..chess.com is the platform to play tournaments seriously not for fun

Facts , and we know which site you are talking about

Because your starting rating matters very little once you play more than a handful of games on the site - no matter what you may choose at the start, once you've played enough games, it will change very quickly change to actually reflect where your stand relative to others in the player pool.

It's the same with the rating points refunded when a cheater's account is closed - it doesn't really matter to your rating, as after paying some more games your rating will have gone back to where it should be, the points refund just helps people feel better about it.

Because Chess.com wants more people to try chess and more people to become chess players, and one of the ways to do that is when people who don't play chess sees a streamer having fun with the game in a rapid fire and entertaining format. A speedrunner account is marked as such and people whose lose to that account get their rating points back, so there's no deception involved. Maybe someone's ego might be a little bruised by getting crushed by a Hikaru Nakamura speedrunner account, but on the other hand - hey, they got to play Hikaru! When else might they get that sort of chance?

Because while it's possible to play a classical time control on Chess.com (90|30 basically, yeah?), very few people do. So any rating would have the same problem as someone who starts off completely new, in that it would be wildly inaccurate as there wouldn't be enough games for it to reach a stable and accurate measure.

Your best bet would be to see if there are any clubs here of people who want to play chess at classical time controls: I suspect https://www.chess.com/club/dan-heisman-learning-center is the largest such club, anf they run regular slow chess tournaments.

I suspect that's a measure of Chess.com popularity and how someone at your level is going to encounter more of those sort of completely-new-to-Chess.com-with-no-actual-idea-about-their-actual-playing-strength people playing their very first handful of games than at a less popular web site with fewer new members at any given time. 

Lichess is working for you - awesome! It is better for you - great! Lichess is aimed at people who already play chess: it's open source and its direction is governed by the people who are already involved and invested. Chess.com's strategic vision is to get more people playing chess - to grow the game overall. Hence the style of the interface and the sorts of games it promotes. Maybe some of those new people to chess will go over to lichess - that's fine. Enough will stay at Chess.com to make it worth their while to try and keep growing the game and trying to make it more accessible to younger people and to give it more visibility.

To @Ian_Rastall's earlier analogy: the Lichess movie theatre isn't showing the biggest blockbusters - maybe they'll have them on screen for a short while, but they'd much rather show the independent, art house films, and that's what they do most of the time. The Chess.com multiplex is showing the latest Marvel movie, and they'd love to find someone as bankable as Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson to headline it (sorry, Danny, you're not him ). The people who watch independent cinema sometimes can't help but look down their nose at those plebians at the multiplexes: but those plebs are enjoying themselves and the multiplex is profitable and is even getting into making movies. Sometimes the art house folks want to 'slum it' and tell these common folk that they're so much classier, and the regular folks just look at them and think "snob" (well, I was thinking of the word that the crowd uses for Ted Lasso when he first arrives to coach soccer, which eventually becomes a term of some endearment, but I'm not sure if that would pass the auto-filter...)

Not to anyone unfamiliar with chess - they are probably more familiar with Beth Harmon then Magnus Carlsen. It's why Chess.com runs the POG Championships - because personalities like Pokimane have 9+ million followers on Twitch, compared to Hikaru's 1+ million.