Look, if Bernie or Jill wins and there is no deep support with House and Senate candidates, it won't matter.  It was done to Jimmy Carter in the 70s--the Congress just won't work with them and hamstring the Pres and the country for four years to allow some twit to get in later. One person occupying the White House cannot do it all; they need rank-and-file support.  It's a scenerio that plays out if Trump gets elected, too; both parties will line up to obstruct his presidency, too.  You need the no-loads out of the House and Senate in order to get things done.  Bernie has the coat-tails; I don't know if any other candidate has them.

If an independent antiwar candidate wins, then within two years the midterm elections throws the demos and repubs out of office. Within six years the Senate is completely changed. The entire government could be changed within a decade through voting. If the system is not an entire fraud for you then I have no idea why anyone who wants the U.S. to be a better country than it is would actually vote for war parties? If the past informs you of what would happen now, then I have no idea why anyone would vote for the democrats and republicans--their past records belong on trial in The Hague.

yes war is horrible and poor should be rich too; me i think hitler is bad, i guess. Fascists are bad too. Deep thinking.

all will be changed trough voting.

1. Make love no war,

2. peace and love are the best ways to get oil for the cars,

3. and to avoid unemployment welcoming 1 billion of middle eastern and african.

4. just put them with pope in vaticano (100 m x 100m =1ha).

5. each rich takes a refumig in Europ, they can welcome 200 millions refumigs today,

6. which means in twenty year 50x8 = 400 millions of people; babyboom is good for aeconomics too.

7. it is good to have those people to decrease poverty in Africa and increase it to villains ex-colonialits.

8.Me I think i wonder if it is not the solution. Transfom Eu in sort of Pakistan bis.. More fun to go to the market with little miniskirt to buy wine, pork ribs too.

i love those threads.

Politics are like chess games, life of a female in competition is Hillary's challenge, facing Bernie it is not so easy. Hillary will buy soon pudique clothes to get 0.5% of voices more, and bernie will try to have beard and some funny hat the way sonny boys carry it. Lotta fun coming soon.

I couldn't agree more with you, Sharon, and that's one of the reasons I've been an independent since the Reagan administration.  I can't vote for the two-faced sellouts of either party.  But you have to have somebody to galvanize support of the people, to get them to vote against the parties and for their own interests.  The only one I see doing this is Bernie.  You may not remember the Carter administration but he was elected to clean up the mess left by the Nixon crime family, and once he got in he was hung out to dry.  I fear that this will happen again if we elect the same-old same-old--HRC is hated by the left and right, DJT is hatred by all except the haters, Cruz is just hated.  Bernie has support from Dems, some Repubs, and most independents--he's the only one who could flip Congress.  But the fix is in here in NY--thousands are being purged from the rolls, polling places in counties supporting Sanders are having their hours cut to make it difficult for day workers and impossible for second-shifters to vote, and I'll bet money that their won't be enough ballots in those counties.  HRC--the Goldwater girl--is doing all she can to suppress the vote in NY.  And I'll bet she is going to get away with it.  Shame on my country.

So the best moral test of a human is who they arbitrarily feel like voting for. 95% of people just sit back, pick the person with the best hairstyle and they're done with it.

That would be really unfair to Trump.

our newcomer didn't notice that 99.99 % are stoned and drunk, otherwise they wouldn't post on threads about 

Life of a Female Chess Player Pt. II: Competition

"ab121705, watch The Young Turks on youtube and forget the main-stream media.  CNN, Fox, CBS, NBC, ABC, all they do is either show Trump or talk about him.  Any Bernie coverage is dismissive or negative, with the recent exception of Morning Joe on MSNBC.  The Daily News article was a hatchet job, it has been refuted by people like Juan Gonzalez who was present at the interview, but it gets repeated and repeated and repeated. "

The OP has the choice, either to stand them, "off offtopics", either to block them, that would be bad for democracy, free speech, and wouldn't help people to laugh. Pathetic are "off off topics", it is good to laugh, thank to them. Not even trolls, just beside their shoes, me I think i wonder if i can assume that. 

Drunken people are the best way for western countries to face new threat the Pope François brings in EU now. Vive borrachos and alcohol for everybody on earth.

    Miniskirt, champaign and pork ribs are the three pillars of happiness. Be happy.

Or not. Heaven forbid.

point is when she awakes, she looks like ...hundred years old, isn' it ? well...

Dash, through the years of reading you in the forums and talking to you, I know that you and I agree on so much that is important:) I just can't continue to come up with a way to support the morally nauseating republicans and democrats who have been running this country. And I do always hope for a way around it without too much violence. But I so don't trust those parties that any representative of them is, to me, "in for the fix"---it's a scam. I think Bernie is part of the scam. All those people who were adult antiwar activists in the late 1960s and early 1970s who are now in politics representing the democrats and republicans are traitors to the cause of a powerful country using it's power for the best. I say show us another option--a third party--or it's all just shit. 

So do you see how who just make up stuff and ask people to respond? Where did you see in my writings about "the best moral test"? You made that up. 

Well, we disagree on Bernie--he's been fighting the good fight for years.  I'm one of those 60s kids who still believe that we were right, and history has born out that all we fought for and fought against was the right fight. And he is a third-party candidate: Sanders became a Dem in order to run a serious campaign to win the Pres and actually change things.  He's the longest serving independent is US political history, and if you read his speeces from 1972 to now, the message hasn't changed.  He's never taken big-business money, not then or even now when it could help out--if he gets bought, he wants to be owing you and me, not them.  But--and this is a big but--he can't do it alone.  He needs like-minded people in the House and Senate to vote for his policies, and that is the problem.  If they are bought and paid for, it doesn't matter who occupies the White House.

And, BTW, I know more that a few people who were anti-war, anti-corporation, anti-Nixon until they got some cushy jobs and completely turned a 180, and I have nothing to do with them--people with no moral compass and no core values, swayed by nothing more than what the crowd around them yells.  They are traitors to themselves, sheeple who will vote for going to the slaughterhouse with a smile on their face.  I agree with your distain for them.  But there is a chance here to get one of us in the WH, and I'll do whatever I can to get him there.  He, like me, believes in the same values and has the same moral compass--how can I not support him?  He and I are both children of the 60s and neither one of us has wavered on this long road of life.  Besides, look at the others in the race--fear-mongering war-hawks who have as much integrity as a snake-oil salesman.  This is a once-in-my-life chance to vote for someone rather than against someone and that feels good to me.  As I said earlier, if Sanders doesn't win and chooses not to run as a third-party candidate, then I'm voting for Jill Stein--I cannot vote for any of the others.  A vote for them means we're at war within a year.

yes it' s my wife she says with Bernie, Al Quaida don't need to explode WTC or Miami orage Ball Arena stadium. Me I think i wonder why she says that, frenchies don't take part in US votes.

My wife has a sixth sense.

Back to the topic : i assume playing chess when being a woman is quite fun when you meet other woman, man too.

 No one sees in writings  "the best moral test", it is a contest, a chess game  to make it up. Me i think i assume if i wonder.

Just quoting you, Dash, because I like it

@stuzzicadenti: I guess you missed what's been happening in the world for the past eight years...

For every disastrous US poliicy over the last 30 years, there's a video on youtube with Sanders speaking out against it.  I don't care whether it's economics, banking, trade policy, the environment, equal rights, foreign investment, war, foreign involvements and more--he has the experience of being on the right side of history dating back to 1962.  Hillary, on the other hand, has been on the wrong side in every one of those things and more, so I would say that Bernie's experience is much, much better than Hillary's.

Have you tried an Irish car bomb yet?

Oh, do you drink non-alcoholic beer and wine?

Hilarious!