Magnus and his jeans - dress and act like a brat, be treated like one.

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Rayfamily wrote:
GamboldV wrote:

Not famous enough, since you couldn't remember his name

Yap Yap Yap

lol

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GamboldV wrote:

I'm trying to imagine Kasparov, or Karpov, or Anand, or Polgar, or even Kramnik whining and swearing on Youtube about being told to dress like an adult.

And I'm drawing a blank. I guess like so many other things, chess has become more childish. "Wah wah! They told me I can't wear jeans! I'm going home! Eff you, FIDE!"

Gukesh...save us.

He did not complain, he simply walked away when the demands got silly. The interview made his position clear, and the expletive was not delivered in some out of control tirade, it was an explanation for his actions in an interview, not even a directed statement.

Having said that, as an adult (who is wearing jeans, btw, and wears jeans daily except at funerals and weddings) I have a message for people that try to turn things like this into dramatic attacks on people they don't like...

Well, I guess you can figure it out.

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Magnus is back.

Carlsen to rejoin chess championship after jeans dispute resolved

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hermanjohnell wrote:
GamboldV wrote:

...dress like an adult.

I´m 66 and wear jeans on a daily basis.

I'm 68 and it's been years since I wore anything but jeans.

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DiogenesDue wrote:
GamboldV wrote:

I'm trying to imagine Kasparov, or Karpov, or Anand, or Polgar, or even Kramnik whining and swearing on Youtube about being told to dress like an adult.

And I'm drawing a blank. I guess like so many other things, chess has become more childish. "Wah wah! They told me I can't wear jeans! I'm going home! Eff you, FIDE!"

Gukesh...save us.

He did not complain, he simply walked away when the demands got silly. The interview made his position clear, and the expletive was not delivered in some out of control tirade, it was an explanation for his actions in an interview, not even a directed statement.

Having said that, as an adult (who is wearing jeans, btw, and wears jeans daily except at funerals and weddings) I have a message for people that try to turn things like this into dramatic attacks on people they don't like...

Well, I guess you can figure it out.

With respect I don't see it that way at all. It isn't about jeans being appropriate. It is about violating agreed upon rules. If you were invited to an event and knew beforehand it was business attire not jeans, but you should up in jeans anyway?

The arbiter simply asked Magnus to change BETWEEN rounds, a walk of approximately 3 minutes to the hotel.

And yes, Magnus certainly made more of a deal of it than FIDE, with his social media, and saying Anand wasn't ready for his job at FIDE.

This is just the latest in a string of Magnus stupidity.

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>It isn't about jeans being appropriate. It is about violating agreed upon rules.<

For some reason, the vast majority of posters here have been wholly unable to understand that very simple concept. While many may feel that FIDE's jeans rule is stupid or silly - that doesn't give anyone, even Magnus Carlson, the right to challenge it onsite at a FIDE event.

He should not be celebrated for doing so - it was juvenile and yes, bratty, and anyone who condones such behavior also has some problems with how to conduct themselves appropriately. 

Be an adult and work with your FIDE representative to change the rules. Don't march in and break them and think you are doing anything productive, other than celebrating your own ego. 

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StinkingHyena wrote:

With respect I don't see it that way at all. It isn't about jeans being appropriate. It is about violating agreed upon rules. If you were invited to an event and knew beforehand it was business attire not jeans, but you should up in jeans anyway?

The arbiter simply asked Magnus to change BETWEEN rounds, a walk of approximately 3 minutes to the hotel.

And yes, Magnus certainly made more of a deal of it than FIDE, with his social media, and saying Anand wasn't ready for his job at FIDE.

This is just the latest in a string of Magnus stupidity.

The rules were lax and not being enforced for the many violators breaking them, until someone decided to make Magnus the example. Bad idea.

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DiogenesDue wrote:
StinkingHyena wrote:

With respect I don't see it that way at all. It isn't about jeans being appropriate. It is about violating agreed upon rules. If you were invited to an event and knew beforehand it was business attire not jeans, but you should up in jeans anyway?

The arbiter simply asked Magnus to change BETWEEN rounds, a walk of approximately 3 minutes to the hotel.

And yes, Magnus certainly made more of a deal of it than FIDE, with his social media, and saying Anand wasn't ready for his job at FIDE.

This is just the latest in a string of Magnus stupidity.

The rules were lax and not being enforced for the many violators breaking them, until someone decided to make Magnus the example. Bad idea.

Why would you think that, the exact opposite was reported. Ian was wearing a sweater, he was informed it was a violation, he changed. Magnus didn’t.

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Jeans are good.

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GamboldV wrote:

>It isn't about jeans being appropriate. It is about violating agreed upon rules.<

For some reason, the vast majority of posters here have been wholly unable to understand that very simple concept. While many may feel that FIDE's jeans rule is stupid or silly - that doesn't give anyone, even Magnus Carlson, the right to challenge it onsite at a FIDE event.

He should not be celebrated for doing so - it was juvenile and yes, bratty, and anyone who condones such behavior also has some problems with how to conduct themselves appropriately. 

Be an adult and work with your FIDE representative to change the rules. Don't march in and break them and think you are doing anything productive, other than celebrating your own ego. 

How old are you again?

Name another sport or professional game where the governing body would try to make the world champion change his pants. It's absurd.

When the NBA tried to make Jordan stop wearing his red Nikes, guess what happened?

Sports and game organizations make their money from exploiting players and fans and siphoning money as middlemen. It's a parasitic relationship. Sometimes the parasites forget themselves, and then the hosts have to remind them how things are.

That is exactly what happened here, and FIDE's caving in like a house of cards within a day shows their own understanding of their mistake.

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I didn't know Magnus was referring to Vishy when he said he's not ready for his job at fide. I thought he was talking about Emil Sutovsky.

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StinkingHyena wrote:

Why would you think that, the exact opposite was reported. Ian was wearing a sweater, he was informed it was a violation, he changed. Magnus didn’t.

For every report of Nepo changing there's multiple reports of other players violating the dress code. I can't help it if Nepo tends to cave under pressure. It's his very nature.

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DreamscapeHorizons wrote:

I didn't know Magnus was referring to Vishy when he said he's not ready for his job at fide. I thought he was talking about Emil Sutovsky.

Ding ding ding...and not the chessplayer.

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DiogenesDue wrote:
DreamscapeHorizons wrote:

I didn't know Magnus was referring to Vishy when he said he's not ready for his job at fide. I thought he was talking about Emil Sutovsky.

Ding ding ding...and not the chessplayer.

There is what you imagine he said, then there is what he said.

“Anand said very clearly that he didn’t know that he had any opportunity to do anything past, you know, go with the arbiters’ honestly draconian decision of not pairing me. And that means that he was, for all his good qualities, he was not ready for this job. That’s what I feel," -Magnus

ding, ding the chessplayer

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You know what we don’t need? We don’t need another Kramnik. We don’t need another ex-World champion going off the rails.

Please tell me that the next chapter in the Story of Magnus Carlsen is not going to just be filled with tales of unprovable cheating accusations against fellow GMs, or scuffling with tournament directors over couture choices or other odd and anti-social behaviors.

Because it hasn’t been a good start, has it?
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DiogenesDue wrote:
GamboldV wrote:

>It isn't about jeans being appropriate. It is about violating agreed upon rules.<

For some reason, the vast majority of posters here have been wholly unable to understand that very simple concept. While many may feel that FIDE's jeans rule is stupid or silly - that doesn't give anyone, even Magnus Carlson, the right to challenge it onsite at a FIDE event.

He should not be celebrated for doing so - it was juvenile and yes, bratty, and anyone who condones such behavior also has some problems with how to conduct themselves appropriately. 

Be an adult and work with your FIDE representative to change the rules. Don't march in and break them and think you are doing anything productive, other than celebrating your own ego. 

How old are you again?

Name another sport or professional game where the governing body would try to make the world champion change his pants. It's absurd.

When the NBA tried to make Jordan stop wearing his red Nikes, guess what happened?

Sports and game organizations make their money from exploiting players and fans and siphoning money as middlemen. It's a parasitic relationship. Sometimes the parasites forget themselves, and then the hosts have to remind them how things are.

That is exactly what happened here, and FIDE's caving in like a house of cards within a day shows their own understanding of their mistake.

Name a sport that the governing body determines what you wear when playing their sanctioned events? Everyone of them? Baseball, tennis, basketball, soccer, football etc.

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StinkingHyena wrote:

Name a sport that the governing body determines what you wear when playing their sanctioned events? Everyone of them? Baseball, tennis, basketball, soccer, football etc.

Disingenuous argument. We're not talking about uniforms here.

I'm starting to get the hyena connection.

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What is Vishys role there? Is he an assistant tournament director/arbiter?

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GamboldV wrote:
You know what we don’t need? We don’t need another Kramnik. We don’t need another ex-World champion going off the rails.
Please tell me that the next chapter in the Story of Magnus Carlsen is not going to just be filled with tales of unprovable cheating accusations against fellow GMs, or scuffling with tournament directors over couture choices or other odd and anti-social behaviors.
Because it hasn’t been a good start, has it?

Given the fact you described Magnus as having a "hissy fit", which is exactly the phrase Hans Neimann famously used to describe him, I'm pretty confident you're just a Hans Neimann fanboy who, like Hans, will say whatever he has to say to portray Magnus in the worst possible light... no matter what the facts are / what actually happened with FIDE. And like Hans you also tend to instrumentally adopt values such as "adult behavior" or "obeying the authorities" which prop up your case, but I don't think you really take these values seriously yourself or apply them across the board... As for what actually happened between Magnus / FIDE... you weren't there, after all - and yet you speak so confidently about the matter, how is that possible? Well it's possible for you because again, you don't actually care what happened, it's irrelevant.

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DreamscapeHorizons wrote:

What is Vishys role there? Is he an assistant tournament director/arbiter?

I’m assuming that’s a genuine query, Vishy is Deputy FIDE President, or something close to that, Vishy was right he has no authority at the event, director/arbiter has total discretion at an event (even the FIDE president was careful in saying he wouldn’t be opposed to allowing Magnus rejoin, implying the decision was still the arbiters).