Some degree of talent? He might be the most talented chess player to ever live...
Magnus Carlsen, a child prodigy?
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Oct 25, 2013
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A person with some degree of talent coupled with lots of hard work.
No one is born being great. They have a potential to be great and they use it or they don't use it. Do, or do not. There is no try when being great.
Musikamole wrote:
He is considered to be the Mozart of chess.
In his interview he said he goes out for burgers and a milkshake after his tournaments. Maybe we should call him "the king" of chess.
Yeah, genius plus very hard work. A lot of discipline, commitment, incredible focus, AND a lot of natural talent.
niceforkinmove wrote:
Musikamole wrote:
He is considered to be the Mozart of chess.
In his interview he said he goes out for burgers and a milkshake after his tournaments. Maybe we should call him "the king" of chess.
Agreed
There was a response on YouTube about a friendly game he had with Justus Williams where a person said he was good because Kasparov coached him and Justus and others would also be just
as good if coached by Kasparov. Basically saying natural talent doesn't exist and that everyone is born with the exact same abilities. So good news everyone, we can all break the world weight lifting records (or win the worlds strongest man competition, even women) and can run 100 meters in 9.59 seconds and learn at the exact same pace, etc. There's NO difference in anyone, we're all Magnus Carlsens according to some. Yay.
MrDamonSmith wrote:
There was a response on YouTube about a friendly game he had with Justus Williams where a person said he was good because Kasparov coached him and Justus and others would also be just as good if coached by Kasparov.
Yes, YouTube is a good source for really stupid comments of that sort. Carlsen had already been #1 on the live rating list before he had his first training session with Kasparov, so it's difficult to see how he can be good just because he was coached by Kasparov.
I know. He was already brilliant before Kaspy was in the picture. But a LOT of people really think EVERYONE is a prodigy and that somebody's at fault other than themselves if they never fully reach their prodigious potential.
Musikamole wrote:
He is considered to be the Mozart of chess. Was he a child prodigy, or a person with some degree of talent coupled with lots of hard work?
He's a prodigy who had lots of hard work. Talent alone only gets you so far, but never far enough to be world class. There's very specific information you need to know and automate in chess. In physics you can have a high IQ conducive to it, but if you aren't educated in scientific principles you won't be aware of and can't automate them in your mind. All you would have is potential, you need education to overthow luminiferous ether and replace it with Special Relativity, or build upon past (sound) theories.
niceforkinmove wrote:
Musikamole wrote:
He is considered to be the Mozart of chess.
In his interview he said he goes out for burgers and a milkshake after his tournaments. Maybe we should call him "the king" of chess.
Check to the king! :D
Are all prodigys child prodigys?
I've never heard of an adult prodigy.......
Oct 25, 2013
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rooperi wrote:
Are all prodigys child prodigys?
I've never heard of an adult prodigy.......
Gelfand last 2 years.
Korchnoi.
Oct 25, 2013
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niceforkinmove wrote:
Musikamole wrote:
He is considered to be the Mozart of chess.
In his interview he said he goes out for burgers and a milkshake after his tournaments. Maybe we should call him "the king" of chess.
If he was a king I'd love to chemate him ^^
Yes musikamole. He was. Its just that chess was what he focused on although it could've been something else. There's that story of when he was 5 he could name not only every country but their capitals, land area, population, and pick their flags
too. From memory with no books to reference. At 5. There are other stories of his remarkable memory. Some people don't need to be taught the way most others are in school, they have an ability to learn on their own and at a different pace.
Oct 27, 2013
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Musikamole wrote:
He is considered to be the Mozart of chess. Was he a child prodigy, or a person with some degree of talent coupled with lots of hard work?
The most important talent is capacity for hard work. That's at the core of Mozart's talent, as well as Michael Jordan (though it helps to be tall), Magnus Carlsen, and probably every child prodigy who achieves anything as an adult.
Ziryab wrote:
Musikamole wrote:
He is considered to be the Mozart of chess. Was he a child prodigy, or a person with some degree of talent coupled with lots of hard work?
The most important talent is capacity for hard work. That's at the core of Mozart's talent, as well as Michael Jordan (though it helps to be tall), Magnus Carlsen, and probably every child prodigy who achieves anything as an adult.
I disagree with that. Talent is something different. Mozart, Carlsen, tons of great mathematicians I know just have something different in their brains than normal people. Jordan's talent is a bit different as physical talent really requires tons of hard work or it is squashed by those with talent and hard work.
He is considered to be the Mozart of chess. Was he a child prodigy, or a person with some degree of talent coupled with lots of hard work?