Magnus Carlsen Done?

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Show him the money!!!!!!!
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llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

He's smart enough he could go on to do something else and make a lot more money than chess could ever offer.

It's kinda late for that. Sure he was probably a smart kid, but he spent that on chess.

Could he leverage his money and fame to be successful in some other way? Sure, but I don't think it'd have anything to do with intelligence.

He's 31. So it's certainly not too late. With his abilities he could probably make a lot more money doing something else not at all related to chess. I think his earning potential is very limited as far as chess or chess fame goes. 

Supposedly he has a net worth of about 8 million. To me that seems pretty low for someone with his creative abilities. And it may not even be about money, maybe he just feels he's hit the ceiling as far as chess, and can do much more in some other field. 

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lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

He's smart enough he could go on to do something else and make a lot more money than chess could ever offer.

It's kinda late for that. Sure he was probably a smart kid, but he spent that on chess.

Could he leverage his money and fame to be successful in some other way? Sure, but I don't think it'd have anything to do with intelligence.

He's 31. So it's certainly not too late. With his abilities he could probably make a lot more money doing something else not at all related to chess. I think his earning potential is very limited as far as chess or chess fame goes. 

Supposedly he has a net worth of about 8 million. To me that seems pretty low for someone with his creative abilities. And it may not even be about money, maybe he just feels he's hit the ceiling as far as chess, and can do much more in some other field. 

Creativity is limited to a field where you have knowledge, and again, he already spent that on chess. He can only be mediocre in other fields.

But again, sure, he could be a successful businessman. You don't need anything like creativity or intelligence for that tongue.png He has name recognition and a lot of capital, that's more than enough.

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llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

He's smart enough he could go on to do something else and make a lot more money than chess could ever offer.

It's kinda late for that. Sure he was probably a smart kid, but he spent that on chess.

Could he leverage his money and fame to be successful in some other way? Sure, but I don't think it'd have anything to do with intelligence.

He's 31. So it's certainly not too late. With his abilities he could probably make a lot more money doing something else not at all related to chess. I think his earning potential is very limited as far as chess or chess fame goes. 

Supposedly he has a net worth of about 8 million. To me that seems pretty low for someone with his creative abilities. And it may not even be about money, maybe he just feels he's hit the ceiling as far as chess, and can do much more in some other field. 

Creativity is limited to a field where you have knowledge, and again, he already spent that on chess. He can only be mediocre in other fields.

But again, sure, he could be a successful businessman. You don't need anything like creativity or intelligence for that He has name recognition and a lot of capital, that's more than enough.

He spent that on chess. But he's only 31. He can apply his talents to future pursuits. 

I don't think he is the type to limit himself by saying creativity is limited to fields of knowledge. If anything, it can be quite the opposite. Creativity is limited BECAUSE of that field of knowledge. I don't see any reason why he would not be able to expand his base of knowledge, and apply his creativity, patience, etc to any field he desires. 

If he does that, and he might, I think he would accomplish much more than he has in the field of chess. 

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lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

He's smart enough he could go on to do something else and make a lot more money than chess could ever offer.

It's kinda late for that. Sure he was probably a smart kid, but he spent that on chess.

Could he leverage his money and fame to be successful in some other way? Sure, but I don't think it'd have anything to do with intelligence.

He's 31. So it's certainly not too late. With his abilities he could probably make a lot more money doing something else not at all related to chess. I think his earning potential is very limited as far as chess or chess fame goes. 

Supposedly he has a net worth of about 8 million. To me that seems pretty low for someone with his creative abilities. And it may not even be about money, maybe he just feels he's hit the ceiling as far as chess, and can do much more in some other field. 

Creativity is limited to a field where you have knowledge, and again, he already spent that on chess. He can only be mediocre in other fields.

But again, sure, he could be a successful businessman. You don't need anything like creativity or intelligence for that He has name recognition and a lot of capital, that's more than enough.

He spent that on chess. But he's only 31. He can apply his talents to future pursuits. 

I don't think he is the type to limit himself by saying creativity is limited to fields of knowledge. If anything, it can be quite the opposite. Creativity is limited BECAUSE of that field of knowledge. I don't see any reason why he would not be able to expand his base of knowledge, and apply his creativity, patience, etc to any field he desires. 

If he does that, and he might, I think he would accomplish much more than he has in the field of chess. 

Being 30 is a problem though. The great majority of advances come in the early 20s. I didn't know this before writing this post, but I'm not surprised to learn Einstein came up with special relativity at 26 years old. Just one example.

I also disagree about creativity, but we probably wont agree because there's not an easy way to talk about it. For example, my analogy would be creativity is like seeing the shape and surrounding colors of a missing puzzle piece. You have to have the knowledge of the other pieces, and then relate that knowledge in a way that creates a new as-of-yet unfound piece.

Anyway, I also generally disagree with the following ideas:

if chess then intelligence
if intelligence then success

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Anyway, can Carlsen start a 2nd career and be successful? Sure.

Can he expect to be more than mediocre? I'd say no, unless the pursuit allows him to leverage his fame and money. So for example business. He could easily be a relatively successful businessman. With a little luck, a very successful one.

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Stil1 wrote:
 

That's an interesting angle. I wouldn't be surprised if FIDE starts privately talking about this, if Carlsen continues to resist future participation.

Magnus is good for FIDE. It would be quite a blow to them if he were to step away, while still the champion ... Fischer and Kasparov come to mind ...

 

FIDE doesnt know squat about market.

They also dont like personalities/the market.

At the heart of it, FIDE is a TD running a tourney for no pay. I mean they say where is my pay then? 'I got some family trying to get a discount on USA babysitting, when I charge $4 for 4 hours.'

 

 

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I don't think chess will have anything to do with his future success. I think it's the things that made him good at chess that will make him good at his future pursuits. 

Very often successful people are successful not because of their original career or life goal. The success came because of what made them good at their original career. 

Not that Magnus isn't successful. He is. I just think he is limited by chess. I think, if he so chooses, his second act could easily be greater than his first. 

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fluffywhether wrote:

My read is he simply wants to apply pressure to FIDE to change WCC format. 

 

A view he has long held, and that causes me to always root for his opponent.

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lfPatriotGames wrote:

I don't think chess will have anything to do with his future success. I think it's the things that made him good at chess that will make him good at his future pursuits. 

Very often successful people are successful not because of their original career or life goal. The success came because of what made them good at their original career. 

Not that Magnus isn't successful. He is. I just think he is limited by chess. I think, if he so chooses, his second act could easily be greater than his first. 

I think he's a (very) good chess player, and nothing else...

I guess he knows how to study. That has some minor usefulness.