Magnus Carlsen is an embarrassment

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livat01
Chessopera wrote:

Carlsen wins again! It was obvious he would!

Haha! Every top chess engine could beat him easily. And it will become easier all the time. happy.pnggrin.png

trosman

Pretty simple solution:

12 game classical match - first to 6.5 wins

If players tie at 6, classical matches continue until a player amasses a clear 2-point lead in classical format

cefman59

Chess has a long and interesting history. The World Champion title was not invented yesterday and has always been a title to be won by the Challenger. Traditionally a drawn match left the Challenger to crawl away and lick his wounds and allow another young upstart to make his challenge. Time is always on the side of the Challenger, since the Champion is getting older all the time. 

SiriamIto

Yes, good thing, WC is getting older! Dead is even better!

lfPatriotGames
eirikbjorlo wrote:

mr. Caruana showed he had a snowballs chance in hell when he no longer could memorize computersmoves. computers are the biggest threat to the game

That seems to be what all these comments are all about. Computers. I'll bet almost no one is going to argue that the challenger is not as good as the champion. I think everyones concern stems from how the games were played, very computer like. It seems both sides just memorized as many computer moves as possible. The one that memorized the least had the small disadvantage which all ended in draws. 

It seems to me that game 12 is where things really changed. That's where it went from "lets get rid of this copy computer moves tournament and get on to the human vs. human tournament". 

IpswichMatt

The main problem is that on some positions White has a big advantage in FischerRandom. I guess you could remove some of the worst positions though.

And I believe the answer to your question is: Magnus

IpswichMatt
DamonevicSmithlov wrote:

White having a huge advantage in some fr positions is counter balanced by each player getting to play each color of that same position. Play 2 games with one position then the next 2 games a different position and so on.

Fair point!

capua_tony93
staples13 ha scritto:
JustJackinIt wrote:
Let's all remember that chess is a board game, there's so much melodrama. Magnus is going to win it, he was always going to win it, who gives a crap? We still got to watch twelve awesome games, and now we get to watch Magnus shred Fabi in Rapid.

I doubt it. Magnus does not believe he can beat Fabiano, otherwise he would’ve played on. If you don’t believe in yourself you have no chance of winning. Fabiano will win the tiebreak. I guarantee it

You guaranted it...... 3 - 0 Carlesn with the crown 

bamboozeledchess
@ifpatriotgames but he lost tho 😭😭😂😂😂
GamboldV

Well, Maggie has guaranteed himself another two years of hot endorsements, willing chess babes, and the gravitas and dignity that attend a FIDE chess title.  Raise your hand if you are eagerly waiting his Book of the Match, where he goes into explicit detail on each one of those twelve totally awesome and high-level draws. I know *I* will be curling up with it, nestled by the fire with a glass of sherry. 

Is he an embarrassment? Well, yeah, but the Magster has always been a bit of a wince.  He's not exactly the guy who is swinging on the chandeliers at your local Swiss system beano.  Kramnik - now there was a partier.  I admit it, I didn't think it would happen, but I miss the crazy Russians owning the title.

staples13

I have decided to list the World champions in order of greatness.

1. Fischer- the most dominant player of all time

2. Kasparov- Dominant, inspiring, and decorated

3. Lasker- 30 year reign or something crazy

4. Karpov- Almost as good as Kasparov but not quite.

5. Tal- beautiful chess

6. Capablanca- Boring but solid

7 Steinitz- revolutionized the game

8. Kramnik- dethroned Kasparov

9. Spassky

10. Alekhine- he once had quadrupled pawns. This has been my goal since

11. Botvinnik- Who?

12. Anand

13. Euwe- no idea who this guy is

14. Smyslov

15. Petrosian- greatest defender of all time

 

16. Magnus Carlsen- the most undeserved world chess champio of all time 

Sean_Cooper
Caruana had 12 classical games to beat Magnus and didn’t manage to.
Sean_Cooper
So why do so many people think he deserves to be champion any more than Magnus does?
staples13
Sean_Cooper wrote:
So why do so many people think he deserves to be champion any more than Magnus does?

I didn’t claim that Fabiano deserves to be champion

Sean_Cooper
I didn’t say you did. I said so many people seem to think it. At least that’s the way it’s coming across to me.

People complaining about Magnus offering a draw in a better position like it’s against the rules, or he’s the only player ever to have done it in the history of the game.

Seems to me that many people are implying that Fabi would be a more worthy champion. Maybe I’m wrong... but if so I’m entitled to my stupid opinion!
brianchesscake
staples13 wrote:

I have decided to list the World champions in order of greatness.

1. Fischer- the most dominant player of all time

2. Kasparov- Dominant, inspiring, and decorated

3. Lasker- 30 year reign or something crazy

4. Karpov- Almost as good as Kasparov but not quite.

5. Tal- beautiful chess

6. Capablanca- Boring but solid

7 Steinitz- revolutionized the game

8. Kramnik- dethroned Kasparov

9. Spassky

10. Alekhine- he once had quadrupled pawns. This has been my goal since

11. Botvinnik- Who?

12. Anand

13. Euwe- no idea who this guy is

14. Smyslov

15. Petrosian- greatest defender of all time

 

16. Magnus Carlsen- the most undeserved world chess champio of all time 

Fischer was clearly #1 in the world for about 3 years (1970-1972). I don't think that qualifies him as being "the most dominant of all time".

Capablanca is boring? I guess you haven't bothered looking over any of his games.

Botvinnik is a nobody? So people like Kasparov, Karpov, Kramnik, etc. are all wrong when they call him the father of Soviet chess?

Anand beat Kramnik who beat Kasparov. I'm not suggesting that he's better than Kasparov but this achievement deserves a mention. Sure he later lost to Carlsen twice, but so far nobody has been able to beat Carlsen so I suppose he isn't a terrible player after all.

Euwe might not have had an impressive chess career but he was FIDE president for a while (he was actually in charge of FIDE during the Fischer-Spassky 1972 match).

Sean_Cooper
Carlsen is currently number 1 in all 3 chess formats. He has unbelievable talent. If people think he’s an embarrassment to chess they don’t know what they’re talking about.
staples13
brianchesscake wrote:

 

Botvinnik is a nobody? So people like Kasparov, Karpov, Kramnik, etc. are all wrong when they call him the father of Soviet chess?

 

Euwe might not have had an impressive chess career but he was FIDE president for a while (he was actually in charge of FIDE during the Fischer-Spassky 1972 match).

I had never heard of Botvinnik or Euwe until I looked up the world champion list ten minutes ago.

lfPatriotGames
Sean_Cooper wrote:
I didn’t say you did. I said so many people seem to think it. At least that’s the way it’s coming across to me.

People complaining about Magnus offering a draw in a better position like it’s against the rules, or he’s the only player ever to have done it in the history of the game.

Seems to me that many people are implying that Fabi would be a more worthy champion. Maybe I’m wrong... but if so I’m entitled to my stupid opinion!

I dont think too many people are complaining that he offered a draw in game 12. I think it's more of an observation. The complaint, it seems, is about the format that motivated the game 12 draw. I think in a way it was good, for the same reason other people think it might be bad. The point of the draw was to hasten the end of the regular tournament and move on to the faster time control part.

I think that was good because it made it more interesting. Others think it was bad because it intentionally put more emphasis on a few fast time control games and less emphasis on 12 long time control games. It's a fair point that both players are good enough to basically force a draw out of the other person. Which literally makes the world chess championship a fast time control tournament.

Of course the two players can do whatever they want, but they might both be missing the bigger picture. They, and all professional chess players who play in tournaments, make their money from sponsors and viewers. 12 draws in a row isn't going to get more sponsors and viewers, it will get less. If copying computer moves for half the game is the future of professional chess, professional chess will end up like the world rock, paper, scissors championship.

magictwanger

I don't get it.He played by all the rules and won! I won a tennis tournament on a "drop shot".I got ridiculed by fellow players for the wimpy last point,but the trophy is behind me,as I keyboard this.