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pfren

Nakamura is the kind of player Magnus likes kicking in the butt in all possible ways. Their last game should be censored- it falls into the category of hard porn.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1705534

Humiliating, to say the very least.

TetsuoShima
FirebrandX wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
netzach wrote:
 

To be fair, Nakamura at his best is God-like.

well you know i dont know god like and i havent watched too many games of him, but from a logical standpoint regurlarly outplaying GMs in worse positions (if the positional assessment was correct) and holding the highest blitz rating speaks for itself.

Maybe, but it seems Nakamura is psyched out by Carlsen. He's been dominated by Magnus the last several games. Really I think Gata Kamsky has just as much chance as Nakamura to beat Carlsen, and perhaps moreso. That's not saying they have a good chance at this point to be clear.

but you know its hard to play players you lost to, you know sometimes even if you are better you could still lose because of that. I dont know about Kamsky too much to be honest, but i think Alex Yermolinsky ones said: We cant defend passivly, you can only defend passivly if your name is Kamsky lol

 

Firebrand i just realised you might have said something similar though less nice, i have a slight reading problem.

pfren

The reason Naka can't play against Carlsen is very simple: Carlsen is way superior as a player, under any aspect.

I also agree with FireBrandX that Kamsky is of higher quality as a player than Naka- this is apparent. The reason they are on par, factly Naka being a bit higher rated, is that Kamsky does little work on his chess since a long time ago, while Naka is the typical case of a high-level engine boy.

TetsuoShima
pfren wrote:

The reason Naka can't play against Carlsen is very simple: Carlsen is way superior as a player, under any aspect.

I also agree with FireBrandX that Kamsky is of higher quality as a player than Naka- this is apparent. The reason they are on par, factly Naka being a bit higher rated, is that Kamsky does little work on his chess since a long time ago, while Naka is the typical case of a high-level engine boy.

what you mean of high level engine boy? 

Anyway it also could be that Naka plays faster then Carlsens and just plays too careless.

pfren

Isn't it apparent what high level engine boy means?

Forget "faster" or "slower". To put it simply, Naka just can't play against Magnus, because he's is not up to that level- plain and simple. Only Kramnik could possibly put some resistance against Magnus, although he would have an extremely hard time.

TetsuoShima

Yes but i mean Magnus always played strongest player for decades, Nakamura also met some  strong players but in general he easily crushed many opponents. Its not so easy to adjust, also not to mention he has a slight disadvantage because he already now lost to Magnus Carlsens what maybe alters his play . 

Well i dont know so much about chess, But i guess maybe we see really big form Nakamura in the future.

pfren

Naka will win a match against Carlsen they day pigs fly. Nuff said.

TetsuoShima
pfren wrote:

Naka will win a match against Carlsen they day pigs fly. Nuff said.

Well you know more about chess then me, but i honestly believe Nakamura has the potential to beat Carlsens if he really wants it. 

TetsuoShima

Also pfren how likely is that you win against Nakamura?

pfren

Not likely at all, but I could have a dim chance.

Against Carlsen- bah, forget it.

TetsuoShima

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1565475.

You evil monsters, you had me doubt Nakamura. 

pfren

That's a blitz game, in case you didn't notice, sir.

Yereslov

Nakamura at his best is at the same level as Carlsen.

Scottrf
Yereslov wrote:

Nakamura at his best is at the same level as Carlsen.

Based on? Can you show a tournament from the last 3 years with this version of Nakamura vs Carlsen?

Yereslov
Scottrf wrote:
Yereslov wrote:

Nakamura at his best is at the same level as Carlsen.

Based on? Can you show a tournament from the last 3 years with this version of Nakamura vs Carlsen?

He sees just as deeply. This was displayed at London 2012 when he managed to get a draw in a very complex endgame.

GreedyPawnGrabber

 Nakamura is one of the most overrated GMs. He is more of a 2600 player. Not to mention the silly stuff on his tweeter...

Scottrf
Yereslov wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
Yereslov wrote:

Nakamura at his best is at the same level as Carlsen.

Based on? Can you show a tournament from the last 3 years with this version of Nakamura vs Carlsen?

He sees just as deeply. This was displayed at London 2012 when he managed to get a draw in a very complex endgame.

So he's as strong based on getting a draw in one game? Whereas he hasn't had a single tournament when Carlsen hasn't outperformed him since Carlsen has been an adult?

Yereslov
Scottrf wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
Yereslov wrote:

Nakamura at his best is at the same level as Carlsen.

Based on? Can you show a tournament from the last 3 years with this version of Nakamura vs Carlsen?

He sees just as deeply. This was displayed at London 2012 when he managed to get a draw in a very complex endgame.

So he's as strong based on getting a draw in one game? Whereas he hasn't had a single tournament when Carlsen hasn't outperformed him since Carlsen has been an adult?

Outplayed him? Nakamura is not some patzer. He is at the same level as Carlsen.

Let's see how Nakamura improves after getting lessons from Kasparov.

Scottrf

How is he at the same level when Carlsen's rating is >100 points higher and he beats him at every tournament?

And I didn't call Nakamura a patzer.

Yereslov
GreedyPawnGrabber wrote:

 Nakamura is one of the most overrated GMs. He is more of a 2600 player. Not to mention the silly stuff on his tweeter...

Is this a joke? He is still defeating the best players in the word, unless you consider the likes of Caruana, Ivanchuk, and Anand as 2600's.