Magnus vs World predictions?

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Avatar of Kacparov

I hope it's just a misunderstanding and we'll be allowed to vote anything and comment without Magnus seeing it.

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Pretty sure it's a vote among the move nominations by the 3 GMs only.

EDIT: That was made clear on chessvibes.com when the news was released.

Avatar of Kacparov

I'm really starting to not like it. There is no way the GMs will be finding best moves with just 60 seconds...

Avatar of chessroboto

You can blame Garry Kasparov for that. Here's the chessvibes.com article back in Aug 11:

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/raw-world-chess-challenge-kasparov-selects-the-world-team/

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The most fair way of letting the World vote for any move is to allow the GM player to use a chess computer (like Topalov's IBM rental) during the match. That just evens the odds where the World does not comprise of chess computer operators and the GM player does not necesarrily play every suggestion that his/her chess engine finds.

How about that arrangement? Laughing

Avatar of reduxe

Who starts with the white pieces?

Avatar of jesterville

It's ridiculous to restrict the World with only the options of the GMs. If so, the match should be changed to "Magnus vs Three GMs".

Also, given the time to play...any engine use would be useless, especially since the vast majority would be engine-less...and would therefore control the vote. Given the time factor, I suspect most voters will go the way of one of the GMs.

My money is on Carlsen to win...at worst draw...but the kid will not loose to those GMs. 

Avatar of doctorjesse

so we cant even pick our own move? it has to be one of the GMs?

for example, if Carlsen plays 1.d4, and Naka wants the Dutch and the other 2 GMs want 1...d5, then anyone who plays 1...Nf6 is out of luck? their ideas and voice are swept away before even getting a single move off.

 

hopefully this is wrong, as if its correct then I withdraw.

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paul211 wrote:

 Cannot agree to this proposal if the match intended is against a computer it should state so, otherwise I want to see real GM's thinking and propose a move to be made.

Further more the GM's should explain why they select a move, then we can all learn on what to do and when and why.


My "proposal" was just a what-if scenario based on my understanding of Freestyle Chess where players are allowed to use chess computers during the match but with time and frequency limitations. Even the elite GMs participated in such events before:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for your explanations, you know that you can hear them discuss those during the post mortem. Wink

Avatar of Oblonkey

Assuming he doesn't make a large mistake due to the speed of the game then Magnus will win.

And it is ridiculous to restrict the world to just the choices of the 3 GMs.

Avatar of kenneth67

Does anyone know the exact starting time?

It looks like 12 noon New York time but I'm not sure.

Avatar of Kacparov

Isn't it 10 NY time?

And if Magnus is white, the world stands absolutely no chance...

Avatar of chessroboto

Are the rules and conditions even negotiable at any time? I did not hear that they were open to that when the tournament was first announced.

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Kacparov wrote:

Won't we be allowed to vote another move? What if the GMs miss the best move, maybe even the best one? I wouldn't like to see that


No one is going to find a better move than a panel of GMs -- the only way a horde of amateurs will do that is with engines and a Magnus vs a world of desktop engines isn't very interesting to anyone.

Avatar of heinzie

Considering the minimal possibility for deliberation it would surprise me if "The World" would be following a straight "plan" at any time (i.e. one move they vote for Nakamura and the next for Lavache-Quirit)

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orangehonda wrote:
Kacparov wrote:

Won't we be allowed to vote another move? What if the GMs miss the best move, maybe even the best one? I wouldn't like to see that


No one is going to find a better move than a panel of GMs -- the only way a horde of amateurs will do that is with engines and a Magnus vs a world of desktop engines isn't very interesting to anyone.


Expect to hear a repeat of arguments stating, "Not every one in the world plays with chess engines, so we would like the opportunity to place our own human-decided moves and let the majority win."

Basically they want a "Kasparov Against the World" style of event all over again but this time with Magnus.

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chessroboto wrote:
orangehonda wrote:
Kacparov wrote:

Won't we be allowed to vote another move? What if the GMs miss the best move, maybe even the best one? I wouldn't like to see that


No one is going to find a better move than a panel of GMs -- the only way a horde of amateurs will do that is with engines and a Magnus vs a world of desktop engines isn't very interesting to anyone.


Expect to hear a repeat of arguments stating, "Not every one in the world plays with chess engines, so we would like the opportunity to place our own human-decided moves and let the majority win."

Basically they want a "Kasparov Against the World" style of event all over again but this time with Magnus.


The panel of GMs equalizes both sides.  People can't use engines to "cheat" and morons can't pump up the vote for a dumb move.  Seems like a win-win to me.

Avatar of SavageLotus

Magnus will win in 4 moves.

Avatar of chessroboto

Cool banner with countdown timer on chess.com start page.

Reminds me of the movie Armageddon back in the 90s.

Did they mean to imply that Magnus is the hulking meteor from space and there will be three teams of the earth's smartest and finest to stop him? Smile Of the three teams, two will eventually smash into loose space debris due to bad drivers from the Internet. Yell

EDIT: Added more pun.

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I doubt that these types of exhibitions (including simuls and chess computer challenges) have any other intentions other than publicity. The RAW Challenge aims to promote chess, Carlsen and the G-Star label.

In this current world economy, everyone needs all the help that they can get.  Carlsen just happens to be the most promising "poster child" for chess since Kasparov. IMO this event is a good thing.

But if you wanted to challenge Magnus one-on-one OTB, take a number. Wink