Men are better in chess than women

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JustOneUSer
And I'm sure men have lost that same way, to
imsighked2

Judit Polgar versus Garry


Kasparov, 1992, 1-0

OneThousandEightHundred18
SeniorPatzer, where is ANYONE saying the OP shouldn't have a right to post this?

Calling someone's opinion retarded is not the same as saying they shouldn't be allowed to express their retarded opinion. Your logic is retarded. And you needlessly bring up your PC bullshit when it's totally irrelevant. Go crawl back under your rock you geezer.
OneThousandEightHundred18
Oh sorry if you don't like what I said I'll just bring up freedom of speech and call you a fascist. Perfect logic.
imsighked2

Judit Polgar vs. Anatoly Karpov, 2003:

 

isabela14

@Harbinger5000. From the illustration, chances are it was played more by men then women. 

imsighked2

I think if we have more men like László Polgár, who encouraged all his daughters to play chess from a very young age and helped train them, then we will develop more Women Grandmasters who compete with men. Judit attained Grandmaster and was rated 10th in the world at one point (she regularly competed with men), with a peak rating of 2735. Her sister Susan (Zsuzsa) attained GM with a peak rating of 2577. Zsofia was an IM with a peak rating of 2505. Not one poster here has attained FIDE ratings of any of the Polgar sisters. I've got one of Judit's books, about her attaining GM status by age 15 years, 5 months (youngest ever to attain GM).

SeniorPatzer

There is a commenter Yigor who uses Statistics to evaluate Openings.  

 

Now if the OP, Isabela14, uses Statistics to evaluate matters and to make the observation that "Men are better in Chess than Women" then that's a reasoned and reasonable evaluation.  Or a historically factual observation if you will.

 

But debating as to *why* this is a statistical fact and a historically accurate observation is a different argument.

isabela14

@SeniorPatzer. strongly believe that the superior number of men playing chess is the main factor as to WHY women lagged behind men. All other arguments are debatable. 

shovellady
I enjoy chess the more I play it now. I think it interests men mainly, but I wouldn't say men are better, it depends...I lack patience and men tend to not.
SeniorPatzer
isabela14 wrote:

@SeniorPatzer. strongly believe that the superior number of men playing chess is the main factor as to WHY women lagged behind men. All other arguments are debatable. 

 

Seems like it's a statistical fact that more men play chess than women.  

fewlio
imsighked2 wrote:

I think if we have more men like László Polgár, who encouraged all his daughters to play chess from a very young age and helped train them, then we will develop more Women Grandmasters who compete with men. Judit attained Grandmaster and was rated 10th in the world at one point (she regularly competed with men), with a peak rating of 2735. Her sister Susan (Zsuzsa) attained GM with a peak rating of 2577. Zsofia was an IM with a peak rating of 2505. Not one poster here has attained FIDE ratings of any of the Polgar sisters. I've got one of Judit's books, about her attaining GM status by age 15 years, 5 months (youngest ever to attain GM).

 

hou yifan is better than all of us as well.  it doesn't change the fact that men predominate in the GM class, in the top 200, and in world champions.

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fewlio wrote:
imsighked2 wrote:

I think if we have more men like László Polgár, who encouraged all his daughters to play chess from a very young age and helped train them, then we will develop more Women Grandmasters who compete with men. Judit attained Grandmaster and was rated 10th in the world at one point (she regularly competed with men), with a peak rating of 2735. Her sister Susan (Zsuzsa) attained GM with a peak rating of 2577. Zsofia was an IM with a peak rating of 2505. Not one poster here has attained FIDE ratings of any of the Polgar sisters. I've got one of Judit's books, about her attaining GM status by age 15 years, 5 months (youngest ever to attain GM).

 

hou yifan is better than all of us as well.  it doesn't change the fact that men predominate in the GM class, in the top 200, and in world champions.

 

Fewlio, your comment is welcome as a statistically verifiable fact in support of the OP Title:  

Men are better in chess than women

Isabela offers up her statistical reason for why this is:   "strongly believe that the superior number of men playing chess is the main factor as to WHY women lagged behind men."

 

So if I understand her argument correctly, it's this:  Although the general population is roughly 50/50, there is a substantial numerical inequality between men and women playing chess.  And therefore, this leads to the statistically verifiable fact that in general men are better than women in chess.

 

This is responsible freedom of speech which has valid reasoning.  And so let's all applaud.

SillyPants71
VicountVonJames wrote:
Criminals aren't bad- but crime is.

And forget the point about wars- that was not a good point by myself. But in the UK women have been (I think) allowed to serve under any capacity in the armed forces

 

  Criminals aren't bad - but crime is?  WTH?!  Criminals are responsible for their own actions. Let's say I buy beer from a brewery, get drunk and get behind the wheel and then cause an accident resulting in someone else's death.  Who would be "bad" in that scenario?  Me, the owner of the brewery, the manufacturer of the automobile I drove?  How about the gas station that sold me gas or my mother for not holding me enough as a child?  Possibly all of society?

 

MayCaesar

Throughout a year, dozens millions people all over the world encounter sharks in the waters. At best, a hundred of them get attacked. The news of those attacks circulate in the media, while the dozens millions peaceful encounters do not. Movies like "Jaws" are shot. In the end, everyone is convinced that sharks are scary predators hunting humans for sport. Everybody is afraid of sharks.

 

Why am I saying this? Because it is the same effect as people looking at the "top 200 players", noticing some patterns there and making general conclusions based on that. Top 200 players is nothing, it isn't even a tip of the iceberg (there are ~170,000 FIDE-rated players all over the world), it is just a tiny icicle on its top. 

 

If you are intellectually honest, then you will refrain from just looking at the tip of the statistics, you will try to look at the whole picture. But if you just want to believe what you believe, regardless of all the facts and such - then by all means, fearing sharks and avoiding to dive in the ocean because of that is the way to go. happy.png It will deprive you from unique experiences and make your life more limited and irrational, but well, your life, your choices.

fewlio
Happy-Bear wrote:
YumYumSharpTeeth wrote:
isabela14 wrote:

@SeniorPatzer. strongly believe that the superior number of men playing chess is the main factor as to WHY women lagged behind men. All other arguments are debatable. 

how about i debate ur argument kid. women arent playing chess because they know theyr stupid 

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

explain your statement, I'm not sure it makes sense or is grammatically correct.  "stupid" does nothing as it is not an entity

Alreadygivenup

I see that silly topics spices up and brighten the day for the gentlemen in the forums.

IDASP

As a general rule, yes, since men predominate the top 200 and there are a lot of players who are 2500+, meanwhile there are only a couple of exceptions in women's chess.

 

Doesn't mean a woman player can't crush a man player, just in most cases the opposite will happen.

Alreadygivenup

Whoops...!!

Former_mod_david

We do not need yet another one of these threads on this topic, let alone with occasional political commentary and personal attacks in it. I am therefore locking it.

I would highly recommend that people look up @batgirl's observations in https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/fm-vs-wgm and elsewhere.

Thanks,

David, moderator

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