Millionare Chess Tournament in Las Vegas at October 2014

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But it is certainly a way to get more mainstream coverage. Even if there are some shady players trying to cheat or make private deals, that happens in all of life every day. Like somebody just mentioned, it's in Vegas, so they're used to catching cheaters. I'm sure some type of electronic detection stuff will be used.

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MrDamonSmith wrote:

But it is certainly a way to get more mainstream coverage. Even if there are some shady players trying to cheat or make private deals, that happens in all of life every day. Like somebody just mentioned, it's in Vegas, so they're used to catching cheaters. I'm sure some type of electronic detection stuff will be used.

I just don't think you should prosecute mainstream coverage at any means ... 

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MrDamonSmith wrote:

But it is certainly a way to get more mainstream coverage. Even if there are some shady players trying to cheat or make private deals, that happens in all of life every day. Like somebody just mentioned, it's in Vegas, so they're used to catching cheaters. I'm sure some type of electronic detection stuff will be used.

Again, the main problem is not players with silicium brains.

The cheating will come from the tournament director, the one supposed to make sure no cheating happens.

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SmyslovFan wrote:

The rules are silly and, if enforced, break FIDE rules in several places. So, you can't play the French Exchange for fear someone may think you're trying to draw the game? 

And, you can't repeat the position if you're low on time? 

Those are ridiculous rules that show a very poor understanding of chess. 

 

who said you can't force draws?

Avatar of BadHabitZZZ

Serious???

If I pay USD 1.000 or more to enter a tournament, pay my own hotel, food, etc, etc....

No one is going to tell me when and with whom I can draw a game of chess.

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From their website [emphases added]:

NO EARLY DRAW RULE

The No Early Draw Rule implemented in the Open section of the Millionaire Chess Open is based on a simple concept: fans wish to see real chess games. We, the organizers, believe that the true spirit of chess competition is well served when this principle is adhered to. Anything else makes a travesty of our wonderful game, and completely disrespects the viewing public. With those considerations in mind, we require that players sign off on the following rules in order to play in this event. Our promise is that these dictums will be applied in a fair and consistent manner, with the stamp of the leadership of Millionaire Chess as well as the many decades of experience of our tournament directing staff.

The penalties for breaking the following rules may be:

  1. Forfeiture of game
  2. Offending player will be ineligible to win a prize
  3. Players may be banned from playing in future events

THE RULES

  1. No game in the Open Section of the Millionaire Chess Open may be agreed drawn by the two players prior to Black having completed his/her 30th move.
  2. If there is a situation where the two players believe that a draw must be agreed to, then only the player who wishes to accept the draw may stop clocks and request the assistance of the tournament director. The TD will then objectively decide whether or not it is appropriate to agree to a draw or whether the players must play on until move 30.
  3. Having an “objectively” drawn or equal position does NOT allow you to agree to a draw. If this is the case, then you must play until at least move 30.
  4. The TD can deem that players are not making a serious effort to play a real game. For example, some unacceptable situations would be:
    1. If two players on the top boards make a quick draw using some well known theoretical opening that forces a three-fold repetition.
    2. If the two players play an intentionally lifeless opening with the object of steering the game towards a dead draw as soon as possible. For example, playing the exchange French defense and immediately trading off all the pieces is not acceptable.
    3. Continuous repetitions in order to get to the time control will be considered an infraction of the rules.
  5. If the TD is unable to decide if a given situation clearly breaks the rules, he/she will consult with the chief organizer (GM Maurice Ashley) or a qualified representative. The decision reached by this body will be final.
  6. The organizers understand that there are situations that occur in which a drawhas to be agreed to before move 30. These situations are rare but they do occur, and if we determine that a serious effort was made in playing the game, we do have the authority to allow a draw. We will not be forcing a player to walk into checkmate or lose a pawn to avoid a draw. However understand that these situations are very rare, and should not occur often.
  7. In situations where an infraction is strongly suspected but impossible to penalize, the organizers reserve the right to prevent the players from playing in the future events. This decision is subject to written appeal.
  8. Irregular pairings may be used if the Chief Tournament Director believes they are warranted.
Avatar of MrDamonSmith

That's funny, the 1,689th ranked player in the world will decide if players far stronger than he ever hoped to be are really trying hard. They might as well just get class D players to judge class A players games too.

Avatar of TheMushroomDealer

That tournament could actually be fun (IF you have extra cash to be spend) and it's a good way to show of. BUT I don't have any extra cash and I'm a student so it really isn't for me 

Avatar of SmyslovFan

The argument about the strength of the tournament director is completely irrelevant. Most of the best tournament directors in the world never became International Masters, let alone grandmasters. 

Avatar of Jion_Wansu

So, like 0 players will enter this tournament?

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Jion_Wansu wrote:

So, like 0 players will enter this tournament?

Who knows ? Vegas is full of fools coming here to waste their money, so why not on chess.

But I bet no GM will, even the "low-rated" ones. The anti-draw rule alone is a pain, and the way it is implemented is an open invitation to fraud, which anyone with a bit of sense will understand.

None will come for a real shot to first place, except the TD's nephew of course.

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The rule allowing him to pair people any fuggin way he chooses is completely retarded. Isn't that what "irregular" pairings translates too? 

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I actually liked the idea of the tournament but then after seeing some of those rules............. I don't know. I know something has to be done about the draw situation but letting the td just make up pairings is going to cause so much of a mess. The arguments will never end.

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Antidrawrules is a good thing to try.. but this seems wrong.

When exactly is an opening "commonly known" as draw enforcing?

Avatar of SmyslovFan

I think they're trying to do away with games such as the one below, but the rule to avoid it is worse than what they're trying to stop. The Kosintseva sisters try never to play a move in anger against each other.



Avatar of Irontiger

Even assuming the necessity of preventing draws out of some belief that "draws are boring", this is clearly not the way to do it.

Those rules are not meant to do that. They are meant to give the TD power to rig the tournament, it is pretty obvious.

Avatar of MrDamonSmith

I'm starting to think Maurice is going to thoroughly fugg up what was a good idea to start with by over controlling everything with a wannabe dictator mentality. 

Avatar of SmyslovFan

The tournament is using FIDE arbiters, supervised by International Arbiter Franc Guadelupe. I don't understand why MrDamonSmith is slagging on Maurice Ashley. 

Avatar of MrDamonSmith

Because of this:

"If the TD is unable to decide if a given situation clearly breaks the rules, he/she will consult with the chief organizer (GM Maurice Ashley)" 

"Irregular pairings may be used if the Chief Tournament Director believes they are warranted"

The chief organizer tells the td what to do. The chief organizer decides everything. The TD will be doing the day to day work but as the rules state basically all rules that players have grown accustomed to (being able to know who will be paired against whom, making moves of their own choosing, etc) are thrown out the window based on these new ones.