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"my coach said that its better to start with g6 than d6" ++ No, not true.
"Im not sure if there is a difference" ++ There are finer points. 1...g6 allows to develop Ng8 to h6 instead of f6. 1...g6 allows white to play c3 or c4.
"if those 2 are always leading to the same position." ++ Usually, but not always.
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"my coach said that its better to start with g6 than d6" ++ No, not true.
"Im not sure if there is a difference" ++ There are finer points. 1...g6 allows to develop Ng8 to h6 instead of f6. 1...g6 allows white to play c3 or c4.
"if those 2 are always leading to the same position." ++ Usually, but not always.
Thank you! Are there any variations that white can do stopping me from going into Pirc positions?
I would tend to agree with your coach. I prefer g6. In the pirc there are many strange tricks for white that you need to know. The modern is more flexible and thus there aren’t any tricks with g4-g5 and e4-e5. The trade off is that white may go into a queens pawn opening by playing e4 d4 and c4, but that’s hardly critical.
"but I want to avoid this..."
That position is fine for Black after Nfd7.
Maybe you just aren't comfortable in hypermodern lines?
"but I want to avoid this..."
That position is fine for Black after Nfd7.
Maybe you just aren't comfortable in hypermodern lines?
Well I mean objectively fine, but for example after Nfd7 white might play e6 and then h4, and this may be objectively bad for white but I don't think most people would WANT to be facing positions like that.
"but I want to avoid this..."
That position is fine for Black after Nfd7.
Maybe you just aren't comfortable in hypermodern lines?
Well I mean objectively fine, but for example after Nfd7 white might play e6 and then h4, and this may be objectively bad for white but I don't think most people would WANT to be facing positions like that.
I suppose I just have odd tastes in the positions I'm willing to defend in order to get a theoretically won game. You recall my "Kids,don't try this at home!" game. Most people would not have been willing to defend that position, even if it is a theoretical win.
It's a little confusing... if your first 4 moves are the same no matter what then starting with g6 or d6 makes no difference, and you're not going to stop white from doing whatever they want.
If you dislike the 2nd diagram, then you need to play your first 4 moves in a different way... for example c6 at some point allows you to meet e5 with Nd5 or dxe. That's a common idea. You can also consider an early e5 or c5 move if the game is headed in a direction you dislike, or delaying Nf6 or Bg7.
"but I want to avoid this..."
That position is fine for Black after Nfd7.
Maybe you just aren't comfortable in hypermodern lines?
Well I mean objectively fine, but for example after Nfd7 white might play e6 and then h4, and this may be objectively bad for white but I don't think most people would WANT to be facing positions like that.
I suppose I just have odd tastes in the positions I'm willing to defend in order to get a theoretically won game. You recall my "Kids,don't try this at home!" game. Most people would not have been willing to defend that position, even if it is a theoretical win.
Since I am no good at attacking, I can only win by defending. Not that I enjoy defending, though. But usually people are better at attacking than defending.
"but I want to avoid this..."
That position is fine for Black after Nfd7.
Maybe you just aren't comfortable in hypermodern lines?
Well I mean objectively fine, but for example after Nfd7 white might play e6 and then h4, and this may be objectively bad for white but I don't think most people would WANT to be facing positions like that.
I suppose I just have odd tastes in the positions I'm willing to defend in order to get a theoretically won game. You recall my "Kids,don't try this at home!" game. Most people would not have been willing to defend that position, even if it is a theoretical win.
Since I am no good at attacking, I can only win by defending. Not that I enjoy defending, though. But usually people are better at attacking than defending.
Can you maybe analyze my last game (opening stage)? I see you are good at modern and pirc and im not sure where exactly had I mistaken there. Can I dm you the game?
"but I want to avoid this..."
That position is fine for Black after Nfd7.
Maybe you just aren't comfortable in hypermodern lines?
Well I mean objectively fine, but for example after Nfd7 white might play e6 and then h4, and this may be objectively bad for white but I don't think most people would WANT to be facing positions like that.
I suppose I just have odd tastes in the positions I'm willing to defend in order to get a theoretically won game. You recall my "Kids,don't try this at home!" game. Most people would not have been willing to defend that position, even if it is a theoretical win.
Since I am no good at attacking, I can only win by defending. Not that I enjoy defending, though. But usually people are better at attacking than defending.
Can you maybe analyze my last game (opening stage)? I see you are good at modern and pirc and im not sure where exactly had I mistaken there. Can I dm you the game?
I'm sure @B1ZMARK knows more about the opening than me, but just a quick observation... AFAIK you have to play either e5 or c5... if you're not playing either of those then your position is just bad.
As far as I know c5 is more associated vs d4-c4 setup (pawn on e4 or not), and e5 is more associated with e4-d4 setup (c pawn not on c4).
The way you played is maybe ok in some cases (?) but since your queenside is 100% undeveloped all those pawn moves can't do much on the queenside. I'm not surprised 9.a4 is both engine approved and close to winning for white.
... AFAIK you have to play either e5 or c5... if you're not playing either of those then your position is just bad.
As far as I know c5 is more associated vs d4-c4 setup (pawn on e4 or not), and e5 is more associated with e4-d4 setup (c pawn not on c4).
The way you played is maybe ok in some cases (?) but since your queenside is 100% undeveloped all those pawn moves can't do much on the queenside. I'm not surprised 9.a4 is both engine approved and close to winning for white.
Generally speaking I agree, but there's one more set-up, quite independant of any early e5 or c5 lever, that I've had a lot of success with in OTB tournaments.
That's playing an early c6 and b5, usually followed immediately by a6 in order to relieve the c6 Pawn of guard duty on b5. Then you play it like a Sicilian Najdorf!
This sort of Pawn structure:
The d6 + c6 duo take the place of the Najdorf's e6 + d6 duo. Your minor pieces (except for the fianchettoed Bishop on g7) develop to much the same squares as in the Sicilian.
This set-up can most easily be combined with the e7-e5 thrust, but the c6-c5 lever is also quite possible.
King's Indian Defense:
Sicilian Defense, Dragon Variation:
Pirc Defense:
Modern Defense:
Seems these are similar for black with the fianchetto and setup.
Oh, I didn't see the text below your diagram.
I'll just delete my other post @blueemu
I have no idea how to play a Najdorf. Open Sicilians that don't involve opposite side castling tend to confuse me... and the opposite side castling games aren't easy either
But since it's like a Sicilian I'm assuming you play c5 at some point?
You can, yes. Or e5 instead. Or both.
Game:
... AFAIK you have to play either e5 or c5... if you're not playing either of those then your position is just bad.
As far as I know c5 is more associated vs d4-c4 setup (pawn on e4 or not), and e5 is more associated with e4-d4 setup (c pawn not on c4).
The way you played is maybe ok in some cases (?) but since your queenside is 100% undeveloped all those pawn moves can't do much on the queenside. I'm not surprised 9.a4 is both engine approved and close to winning for white.
Generally speaking I agree, but there's one more set-up, quite independant of any early e5 or c5 lever, that I've had a lot of success with in OTB tournaments.
That's playing an early c6 and b5, usually followed immediately by a6 in order to relieve the c6 Pawn of guard duty on b5. Then you play it like a Sicilian Najdorf!
This sort of Pawn structure:
The d6 + c6 duo take the place of the Najdorf's e6 + d6 duo. Your minor pieces (except for the fianchettoed Bishop on g7) develop to much the same squares as in the Sicilian.
This set-up can most easily be combined with the e7-e5 thrust, but the c6-c5 lever is also quite possible.
Ive played this setup against a 1900 otb today
I have no idea how to play a Najdorf. Open Sicilians that don't involve opposite side castling tend to confuse me... and the opposite side castling games aren't easy either
But since it's like a Sicilian I'm assuming you play c5 at some point?
You can, yes. Or e5 instead. Or both.
Game:
Yeah, I'm not familiar with that structure, nice game though.
In this connection:
After playing c6 and b5, I almost always follow up with an immediate a6 stabilizing the whole e7/d6/c6/b5/a6 structure, rather than continuing to push with b5-b4. I simply prefer the squares (c4!) that the Pawn pressures from b5 instead of the new squares (c3) that it would threaten if I pushed it further.
Hello everyone! I wonder if there is a difference between starting the game with g6 or with d6. I want to reach this position if possible:
But I want to avoid this:
And also my coach said that its better to start with g6 than d6. Im not sure if there is a difference or if those 2 are always leading to the same position.