More OTB Cheating !

@Fezzik: OK, I agree, the "live delay" is a good attempt. What about live spectators in the visitor's area? Are they supposed to have "delayed access" to the positions shown on the monitor screens as well?

I think this would be hard to manage, as organizers won't be willing to loose the poor number of live spectators, anyway.
If I saw the players on stage shaking hands, I would not be patient enough to wait 15 minutes to see what happened at the end of the game, I suppose.

 I started a thread on that subject in the cheaters forum.

 is that a Freudian slip? (Cheaters forum as opposed to Cheating forum)

Look at my chess rating, and the answer will be obvious.

Where is this Cheaters/Cheating forum? Also somewhere in this string, it was mentioned that cheaters are posted, Where does this happen?

Just curious.   Thanks.

http://www.chess.com/groups/home/cheating-forum

1.  why would this case have to be pursued in the US courts?

2. What happens if the loser has not actually got the funds to  pay, in many European courts the winner ends up losing money.

3. Considering the high number of chess playing people in these forums don't understand that a strong player cannot match a top engine over a considerable number of games there is a strong chance that a non-chess playing court/jury would not acccept the evidence

What masters? Names, statements? Where are they? Nothing!

There is also a double standard somewhere else: I don't think that the games of Dembo were somewhat special. It looks to me that this is the standard of the games of almost any player in top 100. Some have been around (and in the top) since chess.com started.

Officially nobody is cheating on chess.com. The staff is so good at removing cheaters that there is no need to discuss this issue. That's why the "cheating forum" is so well hidden :)

It's not for everyone :)

I think more to the point, it's costly, lengthy, resource intensive and all for what?  The right to retain the cheater lable on Yelena Dembo's account?  Let the baby have her bottle.

Also, let's all be thankful that chess.com chose the pragmatic approach that allows them to focus on continuing to add value for their customers and that doesn't draw their cheating experts away from continued vigilance here.

also chess.com doesn't want to expose thier cheating detection method to the public.

Oh?  When and where did this happen?

I hope it is, because then she won't be able to shake the cheater lable she so richly deserves.

For me the only viable solution is to not play anymore OTB tnmts or at least not in any where any amt of $ (prizes) is involved.I won't even play in CC tnmts offering substantial prizes, I just take it for granted there will be cheaters there.

I suppose USCF could follow the FAAs lead and demand full body scans etc, but as for me I'm not interested in following police state regulations in chess tnmts or anyplace else either, so as far as chess goes, I'll just avoid OTB tnmts with cash prizes.

Best suggestion ever. I have the feeling it would get a few objections though.

Then why not remove the label "Account closed for cheating" from anyone, if it cannot be proven? I don't need the staff to show me that they are working removing cheaters, I can see the results myself.

In the case of Dembo, I think the story went as follows: she quickly realized that all the top players here use engine assistance. Since she wanted to be at the top, she had practically no choice. Why did she want to be at the top? Who knows, perhaps she hoped to get more students. Overall, I don't blame her too much. In fact I think she was more a victim of a very slow and ineffective cheating detection process.

nice story bondocel, you are just saying that because you are banned from the cheating discussion group.

That's not a story, most of Dembo's opponents played just like her. Looked like the battle between two computers.

I have exactly opposite view. It is expected titled players should lead by example in fair play. This apply to Dembo and Feller both.

Back in 2008, when Chess.com had become quickly the nest of online cheaters and she realized the real situation, Yelena Dembo had the opportunity to write Erik and offer him help or at least alert him. She could at least stay honest and quit playing here. But no, she decided to ignore the rules and joined The Dark Side herself instead, like a 9 years old little brat.

Former GM, cheater Feller should quit chess, find a real job and resume his career as ditcher, street-sweeper or WC-custodian.