Morphy was an overrated CAVEMAN PATZER

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BronsteinPawn

What? That is complete trash. Lol.

BronsteinPawn

I have red some chess books and my rating went up, not down...

yureesystem

Morphy is not so easy to judge, he beat great masters Paulsen, Loewenthal, Harrwitz, Barnes and Anderssen. Yes, he made blunders like any masters and GMs but his overall quality is was pretty good, he has 84% winning ratio.  In the Paulsen vs. Morphy, Paul improve on move 8... Qh4 ? and his brilliant move 8...Qf6 ! gives black the advantage. Morphy's blindfold incredible skill , playing blindfold against five masters in England, 2 wins, 2 draws and 1 lost. Morphy was no patzer but had GM strength, no IM or GM have the ability to play against five strong masters with good results like Morphy.

Boyangzhao

Morphy's romantic style, which was the regular style during the era, was what he used. He doesn't care too much about his opponent, just goes straight in for the attack. He is good at what he does, which is sacing and mating. 

macer75
Boyangzhao wrote:

Morphy's romantic style, which was the regular style during the era, was what he used. He doesn't care too much about his opponent, just goes straight in for the attack. He is good at what he does, which is sacing and mating. 

I wish I were good at mating.

BronsteinPawn
Boyangzhao escribió:

Morphy's romantic style, which was the regular style during the era, was what he used. He doesn't care too much about his opponent, just goes straight in for the attack. He is good at what he does, which is sacing and mating. 

Every decent 2200 USCF player can find those combinations.

BronsteinPawn
yureesystem escribió:

Morphy is not so easy to judge, he beat great masters Paulsen, Loewenthal, Harrwitz, Barnes and Anderssen. Yes, he made blunders like any masters and GMs but his overall quality is was pretty good, he has 84% winning ratio.  In the Paulsen vs. Morphy, Paul improve on move 8... Qh4 ? and his brilliant move 8...Qf6 ! gives black the advantage. Morphy's blindfold incredible skill , playing blindfold against five masters in England, 2 wins, 2 draws and 1 lost. Morphy was no patzer but had GM strength, no IM or GM have the ability to play against five strong masters with good results like Morphy.

Patzer may have been too much but he certainly isnt the god everyone praises.

His blinfold skills were good, but he sucked at chess anyways! 

yureesystem

BronsteinPawn, I would agree that Steinitz  and Lasker was much better player than Morphy. I will also agree that Janowski was under appreciated, he was incredible GM and his calculation was superb.

BronsteinPawn
yureesystem escribió:

BronsteinPawn, I would agree that Steinitz  and Lasker was much better player than Morphy. I will also agree that Janowski was under appreciated, he was incredible GM and his calculation was superb.

See, Morphy was obviously good, but he was not a chess god. 

Cool to see someone agree with me, maybe we will be all able to agree on this and live like BROTHERS happy.png

urk
Morphy would have destroyed Steinitz in a match but Lasker could have given him a game.
BronsteinPawn
urk escribió:
Morphy would have destroyed Steinitz in a match but Lasker could have given him a game.

What makes you believe that?

yureesystem

Janowski and Tarrasch would of crush Morphy in a match, look at Janowski's games in London 1899 and Tarrasch had better understanding of chess than Morphy, sorry to burster your bubble Morphy fans; Morphy positional skills was limited and endgame lacking, Steinitz would crush Morphy, look what he did to Chigorin.

urk
Morphy had a huge plus score against Anderssen, who had a plus score against Steinitz.

Morphy and Steinitz both played Bird, and Bird said that Morphy was far better.

Computer analysis shows that Steinitz blundered a lot more than Morphy.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that Steinitz could have held his own with Morphy. There would have been a lot of Steinitz resignations.
urk
Janowsky and Tarrasch also would have been annihilated by Morphy.
Boyangzhao
urk wrote:
Morphy had a huge plus score against Anderssen, who had a plus score against Steinitz.

Morphy and Steinitz both played Bird, and Bird said that Morphy was far better.

Computer analysis shows that Steinitz blundered a lot more than Morphy.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that Steinitz could have held his own with Morphy. There would have been a lot of Steinitz resignations.

Steinitz tended to play a lot of experimental moves in his tournaments. 

BronsteinPawn

As far as I know Morphy declined a rematch against Anderssen. 

Why should we trust Bird?

Steinitz was blundery to the end of his career in his matches against Lasker, but I never saw too many blunders in the games when he was younger.

BronsteinPawn
urk escribió:
Janowsky and Tarrasch also would have been annihilated by Morphy.

What makes you think that?

urk
You know who Steinitz once lost a tournament game to?
Charles Maurian!!

HAHAHAHA
BronsteinPawn

Janowski was a tactical beast, his games were simply fantastic. I put him in higher regard than Morphy.

See, my theory is right, American media portrayed Morphy as a god and brainwashed manny innocent guys like @urk.

BronsteinPawn

@urk, your "this guy beat this guy and he got beaten by this one so he must be better" is flawed.

Geller had a plus score against Fischer, does that mean he is a chess god too? (He was pretty strong, but I doubt he was as strong as Fishcer)