Most fascinating periods in chess?

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Chicken_Monster
Alec289 wrote:
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:

Even children today could defeat the likes of La Bourdonnais, Anderssen and Steinitz given that there are 10 ye

Every generation believes that it is superior to those who came before them Negyesy once boasted that the Masters in his time were far better than Geza Maroczy's he played a match against him and guess what? Negysey lost and found out otherwise.

It's a mistake to underestimate the powers of these great masters and not show them some respect.







It depends on what you mean by "better." Fischer discussed this in an interview when asked if he was better than people like Morphy, Alekhine etc. He stated, if I recall, that he would beat them but that it is not a fair comparison because they didn't have access to the computer and theory of today. When asked if he was better than Kasparov, he changed the subject!

shell_knight
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:

Let Dvoretsky and Yusupov get ahold of the kids and Steinitz would feel embarrassed for losing to children so easily.  They'd have too many advantages at their disposal such as modern training methods, making school like exams (such as, In Duras-Teichmann 1906 was 20.f4 sound?  Why or why not?  What was the idea behind it?  What idea if any was more appropriate in this situation?" or, "What are the strengths and weaknesses of a bishop?  A knight?  When is one better than another?  Which piece is better overall?"  Or, "What is the proper method of composing a plan in critical positions" "Is the Ruy Lopez better than the King's Gambit?  Why or why not?"  etc., to foster critical thinking and understanding of the game. Steinitz, as great as his chess contributions were, would have trouble against a 10 year old 2300 rated FIDE master given the modern advancements. 

I don't know... 2300 seems low.  I know Steiniz would be far behind in all the theory, but due to tactical ability I think he'd beat the 2300 kid.  I think they'd get into some sideline neither of them knew much about, the kid would handle it better and have a good position, but ultimately lose due to tactics.

shell_knight
Chicken_Monster wrote:
Alec289 wrote:
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:

Even children today could defeat the likes of La Bourdonnais, Anderssen and Steinitz given that there are 10 ye

Every generation believes that it is superior to those who came before them Negyesy once boasted that the Masters in his time were far better than Geza Maroczy's he played a match against him and guess what? Negysey lost and found out otherwise.

It's a mistake to underestimate the powers of these great masters and not show them some respect.







It depends on what you mean by "better." Fischer discussed this in an interview when asked if he was better than people like Morphy, Alekhine etc. He stated, if I recall, that he would beat them but that it is not a fair comparison because they didn't have access to the computer and theory of today. When asked if he was better than Kasparov, he changed the subject!

Just remember the interview you're talking about probably happened in the 60s or 70s Wink

Chicken_Monster
shell_knight wrote:
Chicken_Monster wrote:
Alec289 wrote:
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:

Even children today could defeat the likes of La Bourdonnais, Anderssen and Steinitz given that there are 10 ye

Every generation believes that it is superior to those who came before them Negyesy once boasted that the Masters in his time were far better than Geza Maroczy's he played a match against him and guess what? Negysey lost and found out otherwise.

It's a mistake to underestimate the powers of these great masters and not show them some respect.







It depends on what you mean by "better." Fischer discussed this in an interview when asked if he was better than people like Morphy, Alekhine etc. He stated, if I recall, that he would beat them but that it is not a fair comparison because they didn't have access to the computer and theory of today. When asked if he was better than Kasparov, he changed the subject!

Just remember the interview you're talking about probably happened in the 60s or 70s

Ha. Actually, it happened when he was granted exile in Iceland. He was very old and paranoid. Sad ending.

I wish I could find it on Youtube....

TheGreatOogieBoogie

I didn't say he was hypermodern but merely played during its infancy. 

Alekhine himself said he'll take the ideas he finds most useful and adopt them into play. 

 



Chicken_Monster

>> Alekhine was not a "Soviet," and his annotation was not anti-Western in any way. 

Just yesterday I read the exact opposite, but granted, it was in a book review of Alekkhine's greatest games on Amazon. Maybe what I read was incorrect. Not a very good source.


LouisCreed

I really enjoy the Botvinnik era.

LouisCreed

Tal Botvinnik 1960

Spectator94

1960-1975

imirak

The level of play today is clearly higher than any preceding era (shoulders of giants, etc), but 19th century play is the most exciting.

When there is a larger variation in player skill level, you see riskier and more exciting play. This is the era that gave us the early game traps that novice players can understand, learn, and get excited about. Who gives a flying flip what some computer thinks is the best tactical maneuver for 20 plays down the board. It's meaningless for human players.

ghostofmaroczy
LouisCreed likes Mikhail Tal:

Tal Botvinnik 1960

It should have been Smyslov vs Tal 1960.